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Match Threads RB Leipzig vs Spurs - Match Thread (CL 2nd leg - Round of 16)

Match Prediction

  • Spurs to make it to the Quarter-finals in normal time

    Votes: 39 12.4%
  • Spurs to make it to the Quarter-finals after extra time

    Votes: 17 5.4%
  • Spurs to make it to the Quarter-finals after penalty shoot out

    Votes: 6 1.9%
  • RB Leipzig to make it to the Quarter-finals in normal time

    Votes: 244 77.7%
  • RB Leipzig to make it to the Quarter-finals after extra time

    Votes: 3 1.0%
  • RB Leipzig to make it to the Quarter-finals after penalty shoot out

    Votes: 5 1.6%

  • Total voters
    314
  • Poll closed .

Spurslove

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Jul 6, 2012
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I can understand people feeling pretty miserable and frustrated today but I can't understand people who try to re-write history. There's a reason why Poch was sacked, and I don't really want to go over this all over again, but it was pretty clear something had gone terribly wrong behind the scenes. We had a fully fit side in 14th place who hadn't won an away match for a year and our football was appalling.

Like most other Spurs fans I love Poch for what he brought to us. The side he built three or four years ago was awesome, with Rose and Walker both being England regulars, with Toby and Jan being described as the best central defensive pairing in Europe, with Kane, Eriksen, Dele and Sonny absolutely flying and terrorising defences, the 'high press' tactics which delivered so many wonderful dividends, with Dembele bossing the midfield. etc..

But by the time Poch got sacked, all of that had gone, We deserved to be 14th in the table because we played without any confidence. The 'HIgh Press' tactics were nothing but a distant memory. The goals had dried up. The defence was struggling to do it's job. The midfield had lost it's authority. Walker had gone. Dembele gone. Eriksen's head was up his arse. Rose stopped giving a shit. Davies had a long term injury...

We all know because we all went through it.

So, with our love and gratitude, Poch had to go. Along comes Mourinho to a very mixed bag of emotions from the fan-base (including mine, I have to say). First game at West Ham, we win 2-3 which was a very welcome shock to the system. We'd forgotten what it felt like to win away.

Over the next month or so, although our football still wasn't great, but we were becoming harder and harder to beat and a kind of pattern began to emerge.

Then Kane snaps his hamstring and is reportedly out for the season, Sissoko buggers himself up too long term, Eriksen and Rose (allegedly) whingeing and whining behind the scenes for various reasons, then not long after, Sonny double fractures his arm and is reportedly out for the season too, Lloris out long term with a broken arm...and all in all, the entire balance of the team is adversely affected. No strikers, hardly any midfield, and with the in and out form of our available defenders, no confidence at the back., and now Bergwijn is done for the season too and he's only just got here, and Ndombele get's injured every time he plays FFS. Thank fuck Lo Celso looks like a real find and I can't wait to see him playing with a full strength side around him.

Mourinho got us to within a point of a Champions League place but now obviously, that's just a pipe dream. Like I've said, I don't know what people are realistically expecting from the team in the middle of an absolute crisis. I don't think I can remember a worse time for injuries in all my years as a Spurs fan.

Of course we're all pissed off going out of Europe, but maybe we need to think about why. Like I said last night, if we'd been able to put a full strength side out last night, no way would we have gone out, and yes, I really do believe that.

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Spurslove

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Jul 6, 2012
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From my own perspective, I was actually of a mind that we'd get something from the game, and the first 20 minutes was what I was expecting,, energetic, front foot Football looking to put them under pressure. The team had belief and were taking it to them, building momentum and confidence.

Then 2 mistakes, 2 quick goals and it all evaporated. You could see it in the faces of the players, their whole mindset was "FFS, again?"

I listened to Alli's interview after the game and he pretty much vocalise it without actually naming names when he said the whole team lacked, not just those required to stop the goals. I'm paraphrasing here, but to me he's recognising that Lloris made huge errors, but he's not going to come right out and say he cost us.

But back on subject, I understand the anger, I just think it's misdirected. That wasn't on JM in my book, he set us up to go for it, but it turned to shit after 20 minutes because senior players cocked up. After that we couldn't lay a glove on them as they know how to see out a game, so we went out with a whimper with absolutely nothing on the bench to change the game.

I'll whisper this quietly, but I've been thinking about having to upgrade on Lloris for some time. I blame him for failing to keep out at least two of those goals last night.

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shelfboy68

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Jun 14, 2008
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Frustrating thing is that although we have injuries I can't understand why we haven't tried to be ugly at the back and get a few 0-0, because at the moment confidence is draining away and I can't see when the next win will come.
 

Ionman34

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Jun 1, 2011
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Frustrating thing is that although we have injuries I can't understand why we haven't tried to be ugly at the back and get a few 0-0, because at the moment confidence is draining away and I can't see when the next win will come.
We have been ugly at the back, just the wrong kind of ugly.
 

Riandor

COB Founder
May 26, 2004
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I'll whisper this quietly, but I've been thinking about having to upgrade on Lloris for some time. I blame him for failing to keep out at least two of those goals last night.

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Oh totally saveable... But that does not excuse the inept defending that allowed so many Leipzig players to stand unmarked on the edge of our area for the first goal, or again for the second, only there it was Aurier with the awful header and Tanganga with the zero pressure.

Yes, Hugo should be doing better and yes I agree that for a while I have ven said we should be looking around in the keeper department, but why are we soooo poor at winning the 50/50's or the second balls?!
 

Gb160

Well done boys. Good process
Jun 20, 2012
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Frustrating thing is that although we have injuries I can't understand why we haven't tried to be ugly at the back and get a few 0-0, because at the moment confidence is draining away and I can't see when the next win will come.
I think we have tried Shelfy, and it's failed miserably.
Individual errors either from defenders or goalkeepers have absolutely crucified us recently, we're stuck with the players we have for now but it just cant be allowed to continue into next season.
It's football, players will make mistakes, I get that... but it seems like it's almost every game, sometimes several times per game they are costing us goals and points.
 

stov

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Jul 20, 2005
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That's all well and good as a cliche argument, but we've spent near enough £150m this season on players. There are teams out there who spend far less (the red bull teams as examples) and do very well out of it.

Our problem is that we've spent it on players that have been assembled without a recipe in mind, same as AVB. It's not about money, it's about having a manager/DOF who knows how to use it. We need Campos/similar.
Two windows not improving the depth of the squad and a lack of succession planning as players declined is part of the reason why we are where we are. 150m only addressed part of the rebuild requirements. Investment should always be made while things are going well, it's much harder to climb back up the hill than it is to stay at the top.
 

wirE

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Sep 27, 2005
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Do you think he'd come back? I don't.

Honestly? I don't think he will, but there's none other managers out there as of today that I want to be in charge. If Nagelsmann becomes available, I'd take him
 

bozzaSPUR

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Aug 31, 2012
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I can understand people feeling pretty miserable and frustrated today but I can't understand people who try to re-write history. There's a reason why Poch was sacked, and I don't really want to go over this all over again, but it was pretty clear something had gone terribly wrong behind the scenes. We had a fully fit side in 14th place who hadn't won an away match for a year and our football was appalling.

Like most other Spurs fans I love Poch for what he brought to us. The side he built three or four years ago was awesome, with Rose and Walker both being England regulars, with Toby and Jan being described as the best central defensive pairing in Europe, with Kane, Eriksen, Dele and Sonny absolutely flying and terrorising defences, the 'high press' tactics which delivered so many wonderful dividends, with Dembele bossing the midfield. etc..

But by the time Poch got sacked, all of that had gone, We deserved to be 14th in the table because we played without any confidence. The 'HIgh Press' tactics were nothing but a distant memory. The goals had dried up. The defence was struggling to do it's job. The midfield had lost it's authority. Walker had gone. Dembele gone. Eriksen's head was up his arse. Rose stopped giving a shit. Davies had a long term injury...

We all know because we all went through it.

So, with our love and gratitude, Poch had to go. Along comes Mourinho to a very mixed bag of emotions from the fan-base (including mine, I have to say). First game at West Ham, we win 2-3 which was a very welcome shock to the system. We'd forgotten what it felt like to win away.

Over the next month or so, although our football still wasn't great, but we were becoming harder and harder to beat and a kind of pattern began to emerge.

Then Kane snaps his hamstring and is reportedly out for the season, Sissoko buggers himself up too long term, Eriksen and Rose (allegedly) whingeing and whining behind the scenes for various reasons, then not long after, Sonny double fractures his arm and is reportedly out for the season too, Lloris out long term with a broken arm...and all in all, the entire balance of the team is adversely affected. No strikers, hardly any midfield, and with the in and out form of our available defenders, no confidence at the back., and now Bergwijn is done for the season too and he's only just got here, and Ndombele get's injured every time he plays FFS. Thank fuck Lo Celso looks like a real find and I can't wait to see him playing with a full strength side around him.

Mourinho got us to within a point of a Champions League place but now obviously, that's just a pipe dream. Like I've said, I don't know what people are realistically expecting from the team in the middle of an absolute crisis. I don't think I can remember a worse time for injuries in all my years as a Spurs fan.

Of course we're all pissed off going out of Europe, but maybe we need to think about why. Like I said last night, if we'd been able to put a full strength side out last night, no way would we have gone out, and yes, I really do believe that.

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I agree with everything you say. Plus for all the Levy haters out there, who else would he appoint, who was unemployed and who has (even self-professed) a record second to none; perhaps qualified by saying cup/silverware winning record, as his man-management record, certainly in recent times leaves much to be desired. I don’t really like the man nor his style but if he brings success to Spurs in the coming years I will forgive him all of that. At the moment things look ropey, even taking into account all of our injuries and I can’t see Levy spending the sort of money needed to bring about the rebuild. If that doesn’t happen Mourinho will become more morose and we all know how that ends. The early days of Poch seem so far away; we were nearly there but then the boat just sailed!
 

Shadydan

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Jul 7, 2012
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Frustrating thing is that although we have injuries I can't understand why we haven't tried to be ugly at the back and get a few 0-0, because at the moment confidence is draining away and I can't see when the next win will come.

We have not so ago against Chelsea and it didn't work lol, we are a broken team.
 

bubble07

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Dec 27, 2004
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I can understand people feeling pretty miserable and frustrated today but I can't understand people who try to re-write history. There's a reason why Poch was sacked, and I don't really want to go over this all over again, but it was pretty clear something had gone terribly wrong behind the scenes. We had a fully fit side in 14th place who hadn't won an away match for a year and our football was appalling.

Like most other Spurs fans I love Poch for what he brought to us. The side he built three or four years ago was awesome, with Rose and Walker both being England regulars, with Toby and Jan being described as the best central defensive pairing in Europe, with Kane, Eriksen, Dele and Sonny absolutely flying and terrorising defences, the 'high press' tactics which delivered so many wonderful dividends, with Dembele bossing the midfield. etc..

But by the time Poch got sacked, all of that had gone, We deserved to be 14th in the table because we played without any confidence. The 'HIgh Press' tactics were nothing but a distant memory. The goals had dried up. The defence was struggling to do it's job. The midfield had lost it's authority. Walker had gone. Dembele gone. Eriksen's head was up his arse. Rose stopped giving a shit. Davies had a long term injury...

We all know because we all went through it.

So, with our love and gratitude, Poch had to go. Along comes Mourinho to a very mixed bag of emotions from the fan-base (including mine, I have to say). First game at West Ham, we win 2-3 which was a very welcome shock to the system. We'd forgotten what it felt like to win away.

Over the next month or so, although our football still wasn't great, but we were becoming harder and harder to beat and a kind of pattern began to emerge.

Then Kane snaps his hamstring and is reportedly out for the season, Sissoko buggers himself up too long term, Eriksen and Rose (allegedly) whingeing and whining behind the scenes for various reasons, then not long after, Sonny double fractures his arm and is reportedly out for the season too, Lloris out long term with a broken arm...and all in all, the entire balance of the team is adversely affected. No strikers, hardly any midfield, and with the in and out form of our available defenders, no confidence at the back., and now Bergwijn is done for the season too and he's only just got here, and Ndombele get's injured every time he plays FFS. Thank fuck Lo Celso looks like a real find and I can't wait to see him playing with a full strength side around him.

Mourinho got us to within a point of a Champions League place but now obviously, that's just a pipe dream. Like I've said, I don't know what people are realistically expecting from the team in the middle of an absolute crisis. I don't think I can remember a worse time for injuries in all my years as a Spurs fan.

Of course we're all pissed off going out of Europe, but maybe we need to think about why. Like I said last night, if we'd been able to put a full strength side out last night, no way would we have gone out, and yes, I really do believe that.

.

People need to read this before the bashing
 

UbeAstard

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May 31, 2005
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I agree with everything you say. Plus for all the Levy haters out there, who else would he appoint, who was unemployed and who has (even self-professed) a record second to none; perhaps qualified by saying cup/silverware winning record, as his man-management record, certainly in recent times leaves much to be desired. I don’t really like the man nor his style but if he brings success to Spurs in the coming years I will forgive him all of that. At the moment things look ropey, even taking into account all of our injuries and I can’t see Levy spending the sort of money needed to bring about the rebuild. If that doesn’t happen Mourinho will become more morose and we all know how that ends. The early days of Poch seem so far away; we were nearly there but then the boat just sailed!

Mourinho interview

"I know that automatically our team will improve next season, but we also know that we have to improve in other areas,......

Asked if the team need a summer re-build, he also said: "I don't think so. This summer, unless something happens during the holidays, when we start, we will have Sissoko, Kane, Son, Bergwyn, Davies so that is massive.''

He still states confidence in the majority of the squad despite the kneejerkers. I hope to see an Aurier replacement in the main. A backup forward would be great along with a dominant CB, I can partly understand however why we haven't prioritised a backup for Kane thought its biting at the moment. Liverpool are storming away with the league without a centre forward and it may have been considered that Son, Moura and Bergwijn could have operated similar.
 

shelfboy68

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I think we have tried Shelfy, and it's failed miserably.
Individual errors either from defenders or goalkeepers have absolutely crucified us recently, we're stuck with the players we have for now but it just cant be allowed to continue into next season.
It's football, players will make mistakes, I get that... but it seems like it's almost every game, sometimes several times per game they are costing us goals and points.
I know mate I get that people make mistakes we all do in life and at work but as you say it's every game several times a game, it's as much a mentality issue as it is anything else I think it may get worse before it gets better.
 

UbeAstard

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Also all the pundits in the past saying things like "how you can improve Tottenham's team? If you buy so and so they're not going to play..." Didn't help. I think levy thought they were right.

If your talking about in relation to a centre forward, I think along with the belief that any quality forward would be concerned about game time against Kane, it looks like it may have also been considered that our other attacking players could operate in a similar fashion to Liverpools if anything happened to Kane. Things are actually worse than the failure plan but I think the backlash by some people is way OTT and boring.
 

UbeAstard

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Just remember thatDaniel Levy believes there is no correlation between spending money on players and success! So don’t get your hopes up for the rebuild needed to begin in the summer

He was here when we were amongst the highest spenders in the prem, we spent more than Arsenal who won things in that time so there was no correlation with what we were spending and success if you would like to look at the facts rather than be emotive. Understandably to me the board has made changes to what we used to do and this has got us up the table. The stadium was the next step to get us in the big time and that seems to have impacted on our transfer policy. However it doesn't mean changing the way we do things was wrong, the longer term view is what is needed. If Levy and the board are profiting from this as some have indicated then those with that argument need to back it up with facts.
 
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