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Match Ratings Ratings vs Olympiacos

Your Man of the Match

  • Gazzaniga

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Aurier

    Votes: 76 34.5%
  • Sanchez

    Votes: 34 15.5%
  • Toby

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Rose

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Winks

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Dier

    Votes: 2 0.9%
  • Lucas

    Votes: 1 0.5%
  • Dele

    Votes: 44 20.0%
  • Son

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Kane

    Votes: 13 5.9%
  • Eriksen

    Votes: 9 4.1%
  • Sissoko

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Ndombele

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Teamwork

    Votes: 5 2.3%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 1 0.5%
  • The Ball Boy

    Votes: 24 10.9%
  • Mourinho

    Votes: 11 5.0%

  • Total voters
    220

spids

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Gazza: 6 - The first goal should have been stopped. A few other dodgy moments with crosses were also noted.

Aurier: 8 - MOTM for me. He's looked excellent in the first two games under Jose. Whether that's down to something specific or just the adrenaline rush of a new manager and a point to prove will be seen in due course. I have severe doubts over his medium to long term consistency levels still. But a great start. His goal was excellent.
Sanchez: 8 - Narrowly misses out on MOTM. His recovery to make that tackle in the 1st half was Ledley-like against Chelsea. His overall positioning was good too. Still has one or two iffy moments that he needs to iron out, but I suppose that's to be expected at his age.
Toby: 7 - Solid enough.
Rose: 5 - Didn't seem to enjoy being restricted. His "clearance" that led to their first goal was shocking. He also failed to defend the near post area which he was assigned to do. So two of his mistakes led to goals. Not great.

Dier: 4 - Jose said sorry and that it could have been anyone. He was lying. This was Dier at his worst. Slow, lacklustre, hiding from the ball, wasn't even defending the space he's meant to be defending. All that in 25 minutes. We need a new DM.
Winks: 6 - Not much better in that first period of the game. Improved once we went to more of a 4-3-3 formation. Still unconvinced that he's good enough to be a starter.

Eriksen: 7 - Poor when he came on, improved a lot in the 2nd half. Not to the levels JJ was alluding to on air for BT Sport, but he was a lot closer to the Eriksen we know and love watching. Kept seeking the ball, played some nice passes (and some bad) and whipped in a wonderful free kick for Harry's 2nd. Good game from him.
Alli: 7 - Dreadful, as everyone was, in that first period of the game. Got his act together in the 2nd half and played reasonably well.
Son: 6 - Not one of his greatest games for us, didn't improve as much as the others did after an equally horrid start. Never hides though and just his presence on the pitch is a threat to other teams.
Moura: 6 - Unlike Sonny, didn't really look to receive the ball that much. There will be games which do not suit him and at home to teams liky Olympiakos may be some of them. I see him more as a counter attacking threat. Did reasonably OK. That's about it. Good pass into Kane for the equaliser.

Kane: 8 - He scored two goals. Fastest player to 20 goals in CL history. We don't blink an eye. That's how good he is. We will never understand how good he really is until we lose him due to retirement when he's 40 (hopefully!).

Sissoko: 7 - Sured things up once we drew level. Was solid enough defensively, a little wasteful as usual going forward.
Ndombele: NET - A few nice touches. I love watching him play. I hope Jose feels the same way.

Special mention for Jose, our grievances with Poch was the amount of time it took him to make changes in games, either tactically or personnel. Jose in his first home match acted after 25 minutes. Obviously the tactical tweak wasn't the deciding factor in getting us back into the game, it doesn't matter what formation you're playing, when you can't find a team-mate with a 5 yard pass you're going to struggle. But the intent of it was good and once we started to play better, you could see that brining on Eriksen worked. He then quickly brought Sissoko on as he knew a draw was enough. It's very refreshing to see and I found him very honest in his post-match assessment of things.
Really like this summary of the players performance. Not often someone captures your own views better than you did yourself!
 

BringBack_leGin

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And we were worried it wouldn’t be exciting under Jose...

I think this game taught us a bit about a few players (Aurier, Sanchez and even Eriksen can be key players for us at least this season), reinforced a few things we already knew (Rose, Dier and probably Winks are weak links) and gave us an insight into why our manager has enjoyed such a successful career. The introduction of Eriksen in the first instance showed that for all Mourinho’s perceived arrogance, he can identify where he’s got it wrong quickly and address it before it’s too late, which sadly is antithetical to the manager he replaced, and secondly it showed us that he can identify how best to improve a team mid match; how often did his predecessor make like for like subs? I wasn’t in the match thread but I can only imagine the reaction to Eriksen entering the pitch. It’s could’ve been Ndombele, Sissoko or Lo Celso, but Mourinho made the most unpopular potential choice and got it right.

All of that sad, I feel that while our play improved a little bit, the fortune in undeservedly clawing one back provided much needed impetus, and whatever Mourinho said or tweaked at half time was far more relevant than that first sub as we were a difference beast the moment the second half began. We went from the 2019 version of Pochettino’s Spurs to the 2017 version.

My motm is Dele. Yes, he was poor first half (as were they all bar big Dave) but he was the player who caused Olympiacos most problems with his pressing, ball carrying and imagination.

Gazzaniga went down in stages for the opener, his body was where it needed to be but his hands were slow and I feel he could’ve saved that shot. Goal number 2 he had no chance. I think he should be taking more responsibility than he does, he’s glued to his line on crosses. Not his best day.

Aurier is a man reborn. First half his dribbles were ineffective, his passing poor, but I won’t hammer him for being on par with the rest of the side because second half was great. His cross for Dele to equalise might have been fortuitous, but you can’t win the lottery if you don’t buy a ticket and at least he consistently gets a cross in at the earliest opportunity. I’d forgotten what crosses looked like after so long of getting to the area and just passing it around the box in hope of an opening. He took his goal beautifully and defensively he was overal solid. Good game.

Sanchez is the one player who was good throughout. He used his pace well, he was strong and he stepped up to stop attacks very well, particularly when he no longer had a DM to protect him.

Alderweireld improves, and he is trying to use his passing game again it seems, but I still find him very lead footed right now. Lacked any proactivity on Olympiacos first goal and lost the goalscorer on the second.

Rose was ineffective going forward and defensively seemed happy to let crosses fly by him. Not sure how he failed to control a fairly easy situation and let the ball bounce away for Olympia first goal, I can only assume a lack of concentration.

Dier was poor and the game passed him by. I’m not sure how he struggled so much, but his mobility and energy were non existent, very cumbersome, very sad to see.

Winks, however, was worse in that opening period. Awful attempt to challenge on Olympiacos first goal, lost his man on the second, lucky he wasn’t hooked. Throughout the match he was unable to keep hold of the ball under any pressure and his passing was slow and unimaginative.

Lucas started the game poorly but had a strong second half, linking well with Eriksen and always driving forward. Very clever on the Kane equaliser, he could’ve crossed at several points before that but he kept his powder dry and his head up until the right moment to drag it back.

Dele is my man of the match because once again, even with a poor first half where he looked clumsy and listless, he was the difference maker. Composed to get us back into the game (how nice it is to see him in those positions again), while his imagination and skill created Aurier’s goal. His second half performance was very good and he was the player who kept us on the front foot.

Son was poor. Nod on for Aurier’s goal and one first half header aside, his main contribution was to run into dead ends, miscontrol, and ignore good passing opportunities. As much as I love this player, he either doesn’t get his head up or is just plain selfish, because his refusal to let go of the ball squanders so many scoring opportunities. One simple lay off in the second half to Dele would’ve almost definitely have added to the score, it wasn’t even difficult, and instead he tried to turn and carve out his own opportunity. Frustrating and it holds him back from being a great player instead of a good player in my opinion.

Kane was non existent in the first half, I felt like he had his good game v West Ham and was now exhausted. I’m not sure what he was told at half time but the second half was much better, showing for the ball, linking play, leading the line well and scoring two good goals to set another record.

Eriksen had his best game for a long time, varying our play and creating dangerous situations. This Eriksen is useful.

Sissoko came on to be a wrecking ball and kill any cohesion the opposition had down the flank from which we were most vulnerable at that point and he did it well.

Ndombele gave a nice cameo with some eye catching moments of skill and flair.

All in all I’m very pleased. We showed real steel, we found a good performance amidst an awful start, and we were deserved winners. Three things I’m most happy about:
  1. the clear improvement in several players, mostly Aurier and Dele
  2. Kane actually looking happy when he scores again
  3. Crosses. No more getting to the area and ambling about. Crosses are coming in and we’ve scored 6 out of our 7 goals under Mourinho from crosses, 4 against a very compact defence tonight. We’ve always been best when we have width so I’m delighted with this turn of events.

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Danny1

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Wow - Toby worse than Rose? Really? Rose at fault for both goals.

For me yes. I thought Rose was better on the ball second half and that Toby continuously lost his man whenever they came forward. Also I think the second goal was actually Toby’s fault and not Rose.
 

spids

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For me yes. I thought Rose was better on the ball second half and that Toby continuously lost his man whenever they came forward. Also I think the second goal was actually Toby’s fault and not Rose.
Fair enough. Out of interest did you watch the pundits review of the goals after the game (Hoddle, Lineker, Ferdinand)? They were all very critical of Rose for both goals, and didn’t mention Toby at all.
 

EastLondonYid

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MOM ......the ball boy 10

Once Jose brings in the defensive players that are upto the standard required we may see a different Spurs style.

I am not suggesting he will go defensive, but he is smart enough to know that this current group cant defend and cant play out from the back, hence he is relying on the early direct ball and relying on the front four to get us results until he can bring in the players he needs that will allow him to play in the style that he wants.

Lets be clear, Antonio came on on saturday and we couldn't really cope , and lastnite an ordinary greek side gave us headaches for long periods.

Once jose sorts that out i suspect we may see more 2-0 wins rather than 3-2 4-2....which will be really appreciated for my nerves. and bitten nails.
 

JimmyG2

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Olympiakos were no mugs and could have been 3 up at half time.
Tired and lost their grip as we improved
Mourinho cattle prodded a response and insisted on calm. Enhanced even his stellar reputation

Eventually everything settled down and Dele's goal on half time was an absolute gift and absolutely crucial
Changed the momentum and balance of power of the game.

Gazza (6) left exposed and was understandably jumpy all night.
Sanchez (7+) learning to stay on his feet and great saving block after Winks mistake.
Toby (7) Not as firmly in control lately but good enough. Bit slow bringing the ball out
Rose (5) He will have better days.At fault for both goals.
Aurier (8) Tremendous goal, involved in all the attacking play. More than compensated for his weaknesses.
Winks. (6) A game to forget but overall. he got better as they all did eventually.
Moura (6) Good assist and more involved. Still think he's better as a sub but not too late on.
Kane (8) My MOM leader in deed throughout. Focussed and alert for chances.
Son (6) Not much came off but he gives his all. Should have set up Eriksen for the 5th.
Dele (7+) He's back could make a lot of difference to our season.
Eriksen (7) That's more like it. Is he focussed on playing and signing maybe.
Dier (5) deservedly the fall guy.Needs to lose a stone at least. Fit for nothing at the moment.

Ball boy Same one that held on to the ball to waste time and winked.

Winning may have influenced these somewhat generous ratings
 
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Gazza: 6 - The first goal should have been stopped. A few other dodgy moments with crosses were also noted.

Aurier: 8 - MOTM for me. He's looked excellent in the first two games under Jose. Whether that's down to something specific or just the adrenaline rush of a new manager and a point to prove will be seen in due course. I have severe doubts over his medium to long term consistency levels still. But a great start. His goal was excellent.
Sanchez: 8 - Narrowly misses out on MOTM. His recovery to make that tackle in the 1st half was Ledley-like against Chelsea. His overall positioning was good too. Still has one or two iffy moments that he needs to iron out, but I suppose that's to be expected at his age.
Toby: 7 - Solid enough.
Rose: 5 - Didn't seem to enjoy being restricted. His "clearance" that led to their first goal was shocking. He also failed to defend the near post area which he was assigned to do. So two of his mistakes led to goals. Not great.

Dier: 4 - Jose said sorry and that it could have been anyone. He was lying. This was Dier at his worst. Slow, lacklustre, hiding from the ball, wasn't even defending the space he's meant to be defending. All that in 25 minutes. We need a new DM.
Winks: 6 - Not much better in that first period of the game. Improved once we went to more of a 4-3-3 formation. Still unconvinced that he's good enough to be a starter.

Eriksen: 7 - Poor when he came on, improved a lot in the 2nd half. Not to the levels JJ was alluding to on air for BT Sport, but he was a lot closer to the Eriksen we know and love watching. Kept seeking the ball, played some nice passes (and some bad) and whipped in a wonderful free kick for Harry's 2nd. Good game from him.
Alli: 7 - Dreadful, as everyone was, in that first period of the game. Got his act together in the 2nd half and played reasonably well.
Son: 6 - Not one of his greatest games for us, didn't improve as much as the others did after an equally horrid start. Never hides though and just his presence on the pitch is a threat to other teams.
Moura: 6 - Unlike Sonny, didn't really look to receive the ball that much. There will be games which do not suit him and at home to teams liky Olympiakos may be some of them. I see him more as a counter attacking threat. Did reasonably OK. That's about it. Good pass into Kane for the equaliser.

Kane: 8 - He scored two goals. Fastest player to 20 goals in CL history. We don't blink an eye. That's how good he is. We will never understand how good he really is until we lose him due to retirement when he's 40 (hopefully!).

Sissoko: 7 - Sured things up once we drew level. Was solid enough defensively, a little wasteful as usual going forward.
Ndombele: NET - A few nice touches. I love watching him play. I hope Jose feels the same way.

Special mention for Jose, our grievances with Poch was the amount of time it took him to make changes in games, either tactically or personnel. Jose in his first home match acted after 25 minutes. Obviously the tactical tweak wasn't the deciding factor in getting us back into the game, it doesn't matter what formation you're playing, when you can't find a team-mate with a 5 yard pass you're going to struggle. But the intent of it was good and once we started to play better, you could see that brining on Eriksen worked. He then quickly brought Sissoko on as he knew a draw was enough. It's very refreshing to see and I found him very honest in his post-match assessment of things.

Agree with most, but think:
- Winks was more like a 4 or 5 (dreadful, should not be a starter)

- Son 5 (worst game in a while, nothing worked for him in this game, even in the 92 minute with a free pass to an open goal Eriksen he was greedy)

- Moura 7 (think he was better than Son, and it was harsh to sub him off)
 

Ron Burgundy

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Ndombele gave a nice cameo with some eye catching moments of skill and flair.

All in all I’m very pleased. We showed real steel, we found a good performance amidst an awful start, and we were deserved winners. Three things I’m most happy about:
  1. the clear improvement in several players, mostly Aurier and Dele
  2. Kane actually looking happy when he scores again
  3. Crosses. No more getting to the area and ambling about. Crosses are coming in and we’ve scored 6 out of our 7 goals under Mourinho from crosses, 4 against a very compact defence tonight. We’ve always been best when we have width so I’m delighted with this turn of events.

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Liked your post, totally agreed. The main question coming out of the game for me was, as ever midfield, possibly even including attacking mid (if you could call our wing-forwards that).

Winks and Dier didn't work.

Alli is playing well, but in a system that is absolutely perfect for him - possibly even built around him.

Moura and Son were hot and cold, mostly the latter.

I'm just loving the fact that, when it was abundantly clear that we were set up incorrectly, Mou just went in a corrected it.

We needed a bit of luck, sure, but there was no stubborn bullsh*t - just an admission of fault, a tough change (and a subsequent apology) and 3 points.
 

Finchyid

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My MOM was Jose..made a substitution we would never seen happen under poch and changed the game
 

JonnySpurs

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I'm a big fan of Winks, hence my avatar, but he was really quite poor last night. Completely whiffed on his challenge for the first goal. Their striker was not a good player and Winks allowed himself to be totally sold by him. Caught in possession a number of times too which is unlike him.

I'm very much of the view that Ndombele should be starting ahead of him. I feel that Winks is good enough to start but he'd have to have the perfect complimentary players around him. A much better CDM than Dier for starters and possibly another CM like Ndombele beside him in a 3 man midfield.

He's a lovely player but I'm not sure that he should be anything more than an option off the bench if we want to really kick on and start winning trophies.
 

Danny1

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Fair enough. Out of interest did you watch the pundits review of the goals after the game (Hoddle, Lineker, Ferdinand)? They were all very critical of Rose for both goals, and didn’t mention Toby at all.

No I didn’t watch that. Yeah I agree that Rose didn’t cover himself in glory for the first goal, but the ball was there to be won after and Winks made a pathetic attempt at a tackle so both at fault.

Fair enough I suppose on the second goal but for me, I believe Toby was at fault and looked troubled all game.

The main thing is that neither of them played well at all so maybe both should be a 5.
 

NickHSpurs

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Dele, Aurier and Sanchez were quality. Everyone else par really, apart from Rose who had a bit of a nightmare again and Dier who didn't have time to impress.
 

double0

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Man of the Match Sanchez needs a better partner - Toby and Rose are done.

Gazza- 6 tricky to blame him for any the goals

Aurier- 8 excellent goal and assist for Alli
Sanchez-8.5 Won every ball also came out with the ball over the half way line not really seen enough under Poch best defender at the club.
Toby 4 Poor imo he's only weapon is the long diagonal ball but his actual defending and positioning is poor ( is he Dawson in disguise )
Rose-2 Done with him so poor defensively and now offer nothing in attack the quicker he Toby Jan Eriksen leave the better. At fault for their first goal.

Dier- 4 Slow to close down I think its best he concentrates on being CB the games getting past him.
Winks- 6 Better than Dier had a poor first half improved second worked inside pockets and kept things moving.

Alli 8- Ran his socks off. I worry about those hamstrings notice strapping tbh Dele's game is based on mileage pressing finding spaces goal scoring and assists he managed most very good but needs to improve on his passes, he gave the ball away a few times with silly selections.

Son- 6 He has to learn to pass the ball quicker and be a better team player.
Kane- 8.4 World class finishing. World class striker.
Moura- 6 Not sure with Moura he tends to be head down dribble imo he and Son need to improve their in game intelligence.

Eriksen-7 That was better for Eriksen if he puts in performances and leave for nothing at the end of contract I'd have nothing bad to say

Sissoko-6.5 came into the game at the right time energy and aggression helped swing the battle.

Mourinho-7.5 managed the game well sub at the right time
 

BringBack_leGin

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Liked your post, totally agreed. The main question coming out of the game for me was, as ever midfield, possibly even including attacking mid (if you could call our wing-forwards that).

Winks and Dier didn't work.

Alli is playing well, but in a system that is absolutely perfect for him - possibly even built around him.

Moura and Son were hot and cold, mostly the latter.

I'm just loving the fact that, when it was abundantly clear that we were set up incorrectly, Mou just went in a corrected it.

We needed a bit of luck, sure, but there was no stubborn bullsh*t - just an admission of fault, a tough change (and a subsequent apology) and 3 points.

Winks and Dier didn't work, clearly, but I'd suggest that no midfield 2 we have will work until either there's a competent defensive midfielder in the side. Right now that means either persisting with Dier or Wanyama, or giving Skipp a run. January could be used to address this but we have a lot of matches before then. All I can think of is playing Dier until he gets into a rhythm and plays his way back into form. The fallout of this is that Winks would probably need to be sacrificed for Ndombele, as 1) With all our quality at AM we really need to be playing 4231 and 2) Ndombele isn't just more talented than Winks, he's also physically stronger and far better at keeping the ball under pressure.

I can live with the system being built around Dele, if that gets the best out of him then it's worth it as the more his skillset it enabled, the more impact he'll have which means goals for Dele and all his team mates.
 

archiewasking

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Sanchez was awesome. My MOTM. The way he reeled in and blocked their pacy striker who'd got away was fantastic. Special mention to Serge, excellent game and goal, Eriksen at last a little confidence seeping back in and what a delivery for the fourth. And of course, the ball boy and most of all Jose for his decision making and tactical brilliance.
 

Dannyspur

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Sanchez had a good game but seems to shy away from passing forward, looks too often to Toby to make the telling pass. On several occasions had time to play it longer for the on running Son and Moura, but kept it safety first with a sideways pass. But apart from that was showing signs of confidence growing.
 
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