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MOTM

  • Lloris

    Votes: 87 23.1%
  • Aurier

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Sanchez

    Votes: 38 10.1%
  • Verts

    Votes: 140 37.1%
  • Davies

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Dier

    Votes: 10 2.7%
  • Sissoko

    Votes: 4 1.1%
  • Lucas

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Eriksen

    Votes: 2 0.5%
  • Dele

    Votes: 86 22.8%
  • Kane

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Dembele

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Son

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Amos

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • None deserved

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Levi

    Votes: 5 1.3%

  • Total voters
    377

gp13tot

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Aug 25, 2011
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Lloris 7. Kicking still worries me but good on crosses and some good saves.

Aurier 6- Great cross, but a brainless, frustrating and scary performance otherwise.

Davies 6. Bang average.

Sanchez 6+. Surprised at MOM votes, looks so shaky at times and at fault for their goal. But made a key tackle and set up Jan.

Jan 7+. Great block on Rondon and goal scorer.

Dier 7. Not a cb. He's a cm. Solid, if safe.

Sissoko 5. I understand what he can bring to the team but even basic passes and touches are a trial for him. Him and Aurier trying to link up was painful.

Eriksen 6. Not sharp. Good corner for opener.

Alli 8. Composed, some great touches and the winner. MOM.

Moura 6- some lovely touches but anonymous for large periods.

Kane 6- some good link up play but isn't sharp and was telegraphing his passes in key positions.

Dembele 6
Son 6
Amos na
 

Cravenspurs

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Jul 31, 2011
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The Dier love I just don’t understand.

He is slow with no agility. Can’t one touch with accuracy. Can’t get out of tight spaces which is what the CM positions are all about.

Yes, he hit a couple diagonals and put in some good tackles in the first half. He is a great shield when they are running at him...his CB traits. He is strong and powerful...his CB traits.

If he starts against the likes of Pool, City and other press heavy sides, he will be found out and will make an inevitable Dier like brain fart.

Towards the end of the match today he jogged around and for a CDM that is not acceptible. He was with England but barely played so the tank shouldn’t be that empty.

When surrounded by winks and Dembele he looks better cause all he has to do is drop deep and basically play a back 3. But in CM2 he is a liability.

Neg rep away, but don’t let one game glaze over the fact that he is not world class and is not top 4 DM. He would not make it into any of the teams we are competing with.
 

parj

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Jul 27, 2003
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To me it seemed Dele was playing deeper and I liked this Dele. Got involved more and he seemed to bring up Dier's game too. Would have like to see Dembele or Amos as part of the midfield 3 ahead of Sissoko. Sissoko did just ok. Passing wasn't great and didn't really add any bite or impetus to the midfield. He just did a job.

Verts and Sanchez were superb. Full backs meh, Aurier more so meh.

Eriksen a very off day and Lucas showed 1 or 2 moments of what he can do but never really got going. I think Lucas is key this season... He will be our new Ginola if he gets going or Jose Dominguez if he doesnt.

For me Dele MotM.

Would like to have seen Amos earlier for Sissoko, but luckily we didn't with Dier coming off.
 

THOWIG

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Feb 14, 2005
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Sluggish, which is understandable. Without being dramatic but think we might need a new central midfield combo. Aurier terrifies me too.
 

ToDarrenIsToDo

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Aug 22, 2017
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Aurier's crossing has improved, but still suspect defensively. Rather have him as wing-back...

He doesn't take the oppositions left back on enough. Too much fear thinking he's a brick wall when he needs to use his pace and believe more when taking the opposition on. If he does that he risks losing the ball more but he also increases his chances of getting into a more dangerous area, cutting into the box, putting the opposition on the back foot and his chances of winning the team free kicks, corners and throw ins increase more. He has the talent but he bottles it because he ain't got his head straight.

Stop passing backwards and sideways for give and go's and start taking more responsibility as a marauding full back Serge. That's what I want to and expect to see more of now he has a year of working with Poch under his belt. If he doesn't he'll always play 2nd fiddle to Trippier who does the things he currently does but with far better quality
 

ToDarrenIsToDo

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Aug 22, 2017
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Lloris - 7
Aurier - 5
Sanchez - 8
Vertonghen - 8.5
Davies - 6.5
Dier - 8
Sissoko - 6
Dele - 8
Eriksen -7
Lucas - 6
Kane - 5.5 (I don't think he played poorly, just that absolutely nothing he tried came off and the ball hardly dropped for him, he occasionally has one of these games, mostly at the start of a season)
 

Shadydan

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Jul 7, 2012
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You are implying that I am suggesting things wont get better. But that doesnt change the fact that if they play like that they will be spanked irrespective of your obvious observations

And if we play better than that we won't have a problem against most teams, funny how these blatantly obvious observations work isn't it :D
 

shelfboy68

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Jun 14, 2008
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The Dier love I just don’t understand.

He is slow with no agility. Can’t one touch with accuracy. Can’t get out of tight spaces which is what the CM positions are all about.

Yes, he hit a couple diagonals and put in some good tackles in the first half. He is a great shield when they are running at him...his CB traits. He is strong and powerful...his CB traits.

If he starts against the likes of Pool, City and other press heavy sides, he will be found out and will make an inevitable Dier like brain fart.

Towards the end of the match today he jogged around and for a CDM that is not acceptible. He was with England but barely played so the tank shouldn’t be that empty.

When surrounded by winks and Dembele he looks better cause all he has to do is drop deep and basically play a back 3. But in CM2 he is a liability.

Neg rep away, but don’t let one game glaze over the fact that he is not world class and is not top 4 DM. He would not make it into any of the teams we are competing with.
No he is not world class but we have no choice to play him there because of the inactivity during the window the club was unable to secure better unfortunately we will have shut up and stick it out until next year.
 

Cravenspurs

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Jul 31, 2011
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No he is not world class but we have no choice to play him there because of the inactivity during the window the club was unable to secure better unfortunately we will have shut up and stick it out until next year.

Agree in a sense. But I think Poch needs to be more brave when the likes of Josh, Winks and hopefully Vic come back. I would even say a mid3 of Lamela, Winks and Josh gives us plenty of cover and way more mobility
 

BringBack_leGin

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Jul 28, 2004
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The Dier love I just don’t understand.

He is slow with no agility. Can’t one touch with accuracy. Can’t get out of tight spaces which is what the CM positions are all about.

Yes, he hit a couple diagonals and put in some good tackles in the first half. He is a great shield when they are running at him...his CB traits. He is strong and powerful...his CB traits.

If he starts against the likes of Pool, City and other press heavy sides, he will be found out and will make an inevitable Dier like brain fart.

Towards the end of the match today he jogged around and for a CDM that is not acceptible. He was with England but barely played so the tank shouldn’t be that empty.

When surrounded by winks and Dembele he looks better cause all he has to do is drop deep and basically play a back 3. But in CM2 he is a liability.

Neg rep away, but don’t let one game glaze over the fact that he is not world class and is not top 4 DM. He would not make it into any of the teams we are competing with.
Dier is not a top four DM yet has been our highest appearing DM over three seasons in which we have thrice finished 3rd or above, having never previously done so since the inception of the Premier League.

The bolded part is just wrong, he’s actually constantly tracked as one of our fastest players over short and long distances. And his first touch is just fine, I don’t recall ever seeing the ball bounce off him actually.

He may not be your cup of tea, but his midfield performances are a huge part of why this is the best era we’ve had in decades.
 

ToDarrenIsToDo

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Aug 22, 2017
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The Dier love I just don’t understand.

He is slow with no agility. Can’t one touch with accuracy. Can’t get out of tight spaces which is what the CM positions are all about.

Yes, he hit a couple diagonals and put in some good tackles in the first half. He is a great shield when they are running at him...his CB traits. He is strong and powerful...his CB traits.

If he starts against the likes of Pool, City and other press heavy sides, he will be found out and will make an inevitable Dier like brain fart.

Towards the end of the match today he jogged around and for a CDM that is not acceptible. He was with England but barely played so the tank shouldn’t be that empty.

When surrounded by winks and Dembele he looks better cause all he has to do is drop deep and basically play a back 3. But in CM2 he is a liability.

Neg rep away, but don’t let one game glaze over the fact that he is not world class and is not top 4 DM. He would not make it into any of the teams we are competing with.

Dier is diverse, can play CB, RB & DM with extreme ease, is a very calm head and does a lot of work off the ball closing down space to protect our team from attacking threats. If he was HG I'd put him and his diversity into being one of our top 5 most important players but this ridiculous rule that states a person born in Cheltenham, who has captained English isn't classed as HG prevents me from doing so.

Dier isn't astonishing but his big frame and vpextremely decent feet, as well as his astute positional awareness makes him an important player for a lot of what happens to us on and off the ball. There's better out there but not many of those we'd be able to attract. A great buy for £4m
 
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shelfboy68

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Jun 14, 2008
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Agree in a sense. But I think Poch needs to be more brave when the likes of Josh, Winks and hopefully Vic come back. I would even say a mid3 of Lamela, Winks and Josh gives us plenty of cover and way more mobility
Maybe that will happen mate things may change as the season progresses I prefer it when we go three at the back.
Today was a hard day to gauge as we were off the pace and a better team would have destroyed us but we won so that bodes well and if we beat Fulham then it will be six points out of six which is not bad.
 

BringBack_leGin

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Jul 28, 2004
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Dier is diverse, can play CB, RB & DM with extreme ease, is a very calm head and does a lot of work off the ball closing down space to protect our team from attacking threats. If he was HG I'd put him and his diversity into being one of our top 5 most important players but this ridiculous rule that states a person born in Cheltenham, on has captained English isn't classed as HG prevents me from doing so.

Dier isn't astonishing but his big frame and vpextremely decent feet, as well as his astute positional awareness makes him an important player for a lot of what happens to us on and off the ball. There's better out there but not many of those we'd be able to attract. A great buy for £4m
Dier would also be a great buy for £40m (and the rest). So underrated. I don’t have much time for Mourinho because he’s a ****, but one thing he knows is a good DM and that’s why he only turned to Matic after we’d knocked him back for Dier, and Matic is a fucking good player who he already knew from Chelsea.
 

Cravenspurs

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Dier is not a top four DM yet has been our highest appearing DM over three seasons in which we have thrice finished 3rd or above, having never previously done so since the inception of the Premier League.

The bolded part is just wrong, he’s actually constantly tracked as one of our fastest players over short and long distances. And his first touch is just fine, I don’t recall ever seeing the ball bounce off him actually.

He may not be your cup of tea, but his midfield performances are a huge part of why this is the best era we’ve had in decades.

I don’t disagree with you in regards to him being a big part to our squad over poch’s tenure. Spot on.

Speed though is not agility. I don’t agree with you there.

One touches today...if I had the editing ability I would give you 5-10 times his first touch or one touch pass were off and cause the build up to break down.

If Vic was the healthy version of two years ago Dier would not be in the DM position. Two years ago I would even argue Dier didn’t get that many starts in the DM role.

Either way, he will continue to play because that is all we have. He will continue to help us, but he will also put us under pressure, hold the ball too long, and be a hindrance to our play for long stretches when we are dominating possession.
 

JimmyG2

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Scruffy game, very season openerish. Rust patches all over
We mostly played under our potential
Newcastle over theirs and were a little unlucky

Not at all bad........Lloris, Vertonghen, Dele
Not at all good......Sissoko, Davis, Aurier,HK.
Neither not at all good nor bad.....Sanchez, Eriksen, Dier, Moura, Son
Sight for sore eyes....Amos another Academy starter.
Surprise sight....Moussa Dembele. Is he still here?
New signings did nothing. Waste of money.
 

Cravenspurs

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Jul 31, 2011
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Dier is diverse, can play CB, RB & DM with extreme ease, is a very calm head and does a lot of work off the ball closing down space to protect our team from attacking threats. If he was HG I'd put him and his diversity into being one of our top 5 most important players but this ridiculous rule that states a person born in Cheltenham, on has captained English isn't classed as HG prevents me from doing so.

Dier isn't astonishing but his big frame and vpextremely decent feet, as well as his astute positional awareness makes him an important player for a lot of what happens to us on and off the ball. There's better out there but not many of those we'd be able to attract. A great buy for £4m
Maybe that will happen mate things may change as the season progresses I prefer it when we go three at the back.
Today was a hard day to gauge as we were off the pace and a better team would have destroyed us but we won so that bodes well and if we beat Fulham then it will be six points out of six which is not bad.
Dier would also be a great buy for £40m (and the rest). So underrated. I don’t have much time for Mourinho because he’s a ****, but one thing he knows is a good DM and that’s why he only turned to Matic after we’d knocked him back for Dier, and Matic is a fucking good player who he already knew from Chelsea.

To add more depth to my first post that has now got the conversation started.

Yes Dier is versatile. He is strong. He has some skill for a big boy.

But I stand firm in him being a CB being shoehorned into the CDM position because Vic is hurt and Dier has an ego. He can cover but he is nowhere near the level of Matic who was mentioned above. Dier is slow on his feet. He is fast in a straight line. But he can’t turn when under pressure or make lateral moves (yellow card today).

We are stuck with him in the midfield until we get some bodies back, but once Josh, Winks, Vic are back (crossing fingers), I don’t see him getting a sniff in.

Poch needs to be brave in my opinion and test the lineup. You don’t always need a lumbering wall out there that is slow on the ball.
 

shelfboy68

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To add more depth to my first post that has now got the conversation started.

Yes Dier is versatile. He is strong. He has some skill for a big boy.

But I stand firm in him being a CB being shoehorned into the CDM position because Vic is hurt and Dier has an ego. He can cover but he is nowhere near the level of Matic who was mentioned above. Dier is slow on his feet. He is fast in a straight line. But he can’t turn when under pressure or make lateral moves (yellow card today).

We are stuck with him in the midfield until we get some bodies back, but once Josh, Winks, Vic are back (crossing fingers), I don’t see him getting a sniff in.

Poch needs to be brave in my opinion and test the lineup. You don’t always need a lumbering wall out there that is slow on the ball.
Since when did you know dier personally how do you know he has an ego one thing our team lacks is egotistical maniacs thank fuck.
 

WiganSpur

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Aug 31, 2012
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Harsh critic of Dier in CM but one of his better games there today. Shut out the counter attacks pretty well.
 
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