Match Ratings Ratings vs Man Utd

[Spurs 1961]

Lloris for sure. Good enough performances from Dier, Son, Bergwijn. Kane was a passenger and quite frankly would have had more effect shouting from the stands. Mourinho was at hue fault for not using subs when we had so many tired players. Sadly the next win still seems a long way off

 

[parj]

Because a plan to surrender 70% of the pitch for that long, in a crucial game, at home (!) is shamefully negative. If they'd been all over us and we'd nicked a lucky goal, maybe, just maybe it would a bit of merit, but that wasn't the case.

Totally agree. Its sad that spurs fans are willing to accept this. After Poch and Redknapp putting us on the front foot, there are some readily accepting conceding possession and hoping not to concede. We are without a doubt the most negative team in the top 10, possibly top 15.

 

[feet01]

I hate the negativity on here after one game. It was the first game back after a couple of months so we’re never going to be top drawer.

as for all this about being in the front door, Mourinho ain’t and idiot and will know if we open up and attack, our lack of a decent DM will mean we’d just get picked off by Utd on the break

we’ll see more on Tuesday after another few days of training and it is just West Ham after all ?

 

[JimmyG2]

It's football Jim but not as we know it.
Could have got thrashed but didn't and nearly pinched it so I'll take the positives from that.
Dropped too deep second half and almost unfairly lost it. Love that VAR, been our friend overall.

Lloris.........8...Saved our bacon and kept us in the game early doors. One brilliant save.
Aurier.......6....Curates egg but as usual 2 steps forward 3 steps back with this boy. Overplays.
Sanchez...7....Didn't notice him much. Handily placed and no major errors. Calmer.
Dier...........7....Done by Pogba for the penalty but otherwise good all round. Might save us 50 million
Davies......7.....Uninspiringly competent as usual. By no means a bad thing.
Winks.......7.....Some nice early passes. Decent game.
Sissoko--7......Came into the game more as it went on. Strong and energetic but we know that.
Lamela.....8.....Welcome back to the Erik of yore. Takes no prisoners. Creative showing.
Bergwyn..6.....GIfted a goal but faded and disappeared at times.
Son............6....Another one that faded. Good header brilliantly saved.
HK..............5....Should have been subbed on the hour

Lo Celso....Promises to be one of our key players.
Gerson.......Decent player if not a starter.

Jose..........5 subs availabe 2 subs made. Doesn't speak well of his tactical nous
.................. especially with tiring players and players needing game time.
...................You don't get much for 13 million these days.

 

[ackie]

Lloris - man of the match for me.
The funny thing is many on here thought the line-up and specially midfield would have been overrun by Man Utd, and spoke negatively once the team sheet was announced.
The first half showed a compact and well organized team. Strong mentally and trying to create things. Compare this to our gameplan in the first half of this season and it showed a bit more organization. Note that a few of our players are coming back from injuries: Kane, Lamela, Sissoko... Lack of confidence: Dier...
Our last 20minutes was not good as we sat back. It also showed the lack of depth of our squad as in Jose's words, he didn't have the right players.
I don't think Jose made the right substitution in Gedson and out Lamela and Berg. GLC and Ndombele or even Sess on the left. But then again we dont take training sessions and are not half as qualified as Jose!
I'm somewhat encouraged with the display.
With the right players (2-3 quality players), we can be much better.
We really have to win all the games now to even think of CL.


But COYS

 

[Sophos151]

Lloris 8

Davies 7
Dier 7
Sanchez 6
Aurier 5

Winks 5
Sissoko 5

Son 4
Lamela 5
Bergwijn 7

Kane 4

 

[spids]

Hugo 8
Aurier 5
Sanchez 6
Dier 7 (was great until the pen)
Davies 7
Winks 5
Sissoko 6
Lamela 8
Bergwijn 8
Son 7
Kane 6

Mourinho 5

We were set up so negatively that players like Winks became ineffective training cones occupying space. At least when Lo Celso came on we strung a few passes together. Not sure how Jose moans about a lack of bench strength when he opted not to use Ndombele when Winks was so passive and ineffectual. Kane understandably looked rusty, but it must be frustrating watching Son spend 90% of his time defensively blocking their RB and not attacking. Jose set up not to lose and nick a goal. Like he did away at Man U, both games against Chelsea and Liverpool at home. First time we managed a point in those games. Tactics suck.

 

[John48]

Have to say Loris had a decent game & made 2 good saves, but Sissoko did really well considering how long he's been out & was the MoM for me.

Not sure how Lamela gets such a high mark though. Worked hard for sure, but there were several occasions in the 2nd in particular when he in position to lay someone in & every time he gave the ball away & the chance went begging. We need our forward players to keep the ball & not give it up cheaply as Lamela did.

 

[Nicki78]

I gave it to Dier but Lloris could just have easily have had it. Overall I thought there were some decent performances:-

lloris - 8 - like I said could have been my motm. Looked really confident too.
Dier - 8 - I was really impressed last night both with the performance, but also with how he commanded the back line. Let’s hope we don’t lose him for too long.
Sanchez - 7 - couple of ropey moments but good overall.
Davies - 7 - someone else described him perfectly above as uninspiringly competent. Really goes about his business well but without any fuss. Keep him fit and I think he’s a decent player.
Aurier - 6 - tricky one. Did some good things and bad. I don’t dislike him as much on some on here but honestly I would be much happier to get another RB in the summer.
Winks - 6.5 - I almost forgot he was playing at times last night. I love him but I think my judgement often clouded by the fact he’s spurs through and through. Still can’t decide if he’s good enough for a team with our aspirations.
Sissoko - 7.5 - given he was out injured for a while played really well, esp in second half. Stopped a certain chance on goal right at the end.
Lamela - 7 - I want to love him I really do. But for all the good things he does he wasted so many opportunities to pass when others were in great positions. I can think of at least three times Son or Stevie were in great positions and he passed to a Utd player instead.
Stevie B - 7 - good game and good goal. Think this kid will be great for us.
Sonny - 7 - actually think he had a good game for the first 70 mins. Great chance with the header and repeatedly got himself in great positions. Also he was clearly asked to track back and defend a lot last night and I was really impressed at his defensive work given how much criticism he used to get for leaving the fullback exposed. Yes he looked knackered for the last 20 mins but that’s true of most of the players.
Kane - 6 - clearly well off the pace but not sure what else we could have expected given the long lay off. In an ideal world I’m sure JM would have replaced him with Lucas after 60 mins or so. Will get better after a few games.

 

[SCUMmucs]

Is it just me that was deeply disappointed with son? I thought first half in particular he was the weak link.

 

[H-SF]

Lloris - 8
Aurier - 5 (fine defensively but gave the ball away so much in the second half)
Davinson - 8
Dier - 8
Davies - 8
Sissoko - 8
Winks - 7
Bergwijn - 8
Lamela - 5
Son - 6
Kane - 5

Lo Celso and Gedson were ok when they came on.

Bar a few errors we were excellent defensively, Davies not getting enough praise imo, thought he was good on the ball and solid defensively. Main reason we didn’t win is we didn’t exert enough control in the buildup second half nor transition cleanly. We should have moved Lo Celso/Tanguy into the pivot for Winks early in the second half for more control and Lucas and Dele off the bench would have helped us counter more cleanly.

 

[whitesocks]

...
Hope we make the Europa, to keep the big squad busy next season...

Mourinho would play the first team. He doesn't care about the longer term development of younger players as he is not here himself for the long term.
Without even the home gate money for playing these extra games, then I'd be more than happy if we missed out.
It is arsenal's competition anyway.

 

[cliff jones]

Mourinho would play the first team. He doesn't care about the longer term development of younger players as he is not here himself for the long term.
Without even the home gate money for playing these extra games, then I'd be more than happy if we missed out.
It is arsenal's competition anyway.

that’s a good point. Yeah it’ll probably be Winks andSissoko twice a week. Good for the co efficient then...

Jose started really well, but I’m really disappointed with the lack of imagination, plan b...

 

[parj]

that’s a good point. Yeah it’ll probably be Winks andSissoko twice a week. Good for the co efficient then...

Jose started really well, but I’m really disappointed with the lack of imagination, plan b...

He didn't need a plan B. Plan A was working apart from the defence being all over the place. He dropped plan A the moment he played man u and then Chelsea. He is so scared of losing to former teams.

 

[DenverSpur]

Because a plan to surrender 70% of the pitch for that long, in a crucial game, at home (!) is shamefully negative. If they'd been all over us and we'd nicked a lucky goal, maybe, just maybe it would have a bit of merit, but that wasn't the case.

We’ll have to agree to disagree. Whether at home(!) or not we have a leaky defense playing against a fast mobile attack and on the other side we have a fast mobile attack against a slow defense. Given that the. Plan to sit back and stay compact, draw them in to us then hit them with quick counterattacks makes perfect sense. It is also Mourinho’s trademark tactic, especially against the bigger teams, which has proved to be very successful over his career. If not for a soft penalty( I thought Winks was at fault for not going over and doubling up with Dier against Pogba which would have made Dier’s attempt to get back at Pogba unnecessary) and a lack of available forwards( should have brought on Sess as a forward) to keep their defense honest when Kane and Son tired we would/should have won and the plan would have been vindicated. How much possession you have and where you have it is immaterial. It’s whether your tactics bring you the desired result.
I’m surprised at so many people complaining about the tactics yesterday. Don’t you remember how open and disorganized we were defensively before the lockdown? For all the possession they had Manure didn’t really trouble us much more than we did them. Once our strikers have regained their sharpness( strikers are the last ones to get that sharpness back) we’ll be winning many more games than we lose. There was many positives yesterday which I’m surprised you can’t appreciate. As I say it’s all opinions

 

[Japhet]

We’ll have to agree to disagree. Whether at home(!) or not we have a leaky defense playing against a fast mobile attack and on the other side we have a fast mobile attack against a slow defense. Given that the. Plan to sit back and stay compact, draw them in to us then hit them with quick counterattacks makes perfect sense. It is also Mourinho’s trademark tactic, especially against the bigger teams, which has proved to be very successful over his career. If not for a soft penalty( I thought Winks was at fault for not going over and doubling up with Dier against Pogba which would have made Dier’s attempt to get back at Pogba unnecessary) and a lack of available forwards( should have brought on Sess as a forward) to keep their defense honest when Kane and Son tired we would/should have won and the plan would have been vindicated. How much possession you have and where you have it is immaterial. It’s whether your tactics bring you the desired result.
I’m surprised at so many people complaining about the tactics yesterday. Don’t you remember how open and disorganized we were defensively before the lockdown? For all the possession they had Manure didn’t really trouble us much more than we did them. Once our strikers have regained their sharpness( strikers are the last ones to get that sharpness back) we’ll be winning many more games than we lose. There was many positives yesterday which I’m surprised you can’t appreciate. As I say it’s all opinions

Definitely agree to disagree.

 

[ralvy]

Totally agree. Its sad that spurs fans are willing to accept this. After Poch and Redknapp putting us on the front foot, there are some readily accepting conceding possession and hoping not to concede. We are without a doubt the most negative team in the top 10, possibly top 15.

Yeah, I know. It will be very hard for Mourinho to help us win as many titles as those two did.

 

[parj]

Yeah, I know. It will be very hard for Mourinho to help us win as many titles as those two did.

Aaaahhhh... One of the offended. You must be enjoying the advanced tactical edge we now have over opponents.

 

[SpursSince1980]

There's a lot of talk about getting on the front foot, but i guess I'm seeing something different. I just don't see a particularly talented group of players, who are super fit, fast, skilled and committed. There are just too many weak links in the team and too many players who are lacking in the aforementioned areas. Kane and Sonny both flitted in and out of the game yesterday. Both were nowhere near peak form. Can say the same about Bergjwin too.

Combine that with an extremely erratic RB, a fairly limited LB, a vanilla CM (Winks) and an AM who can be brilliant one moment and then do something boneheaded the next (Lamela), and you aren't exactly capable of pulling up sticks. Just watch how they move during the game. Watch how sluggish they get. How often they are second to the ball. How often they make mental mistakes. We should be more realistic in our expectations of this lot. As right now they're not the same team of three years ago. Not even close.

 

[Bulletspur]

I hate the negativity on here after one game. It was the first game back after a couple of months so we’re never going to be top drawer.

as for all this about being in the front door, Mourinho ain’t and idiot and will know if we open up and attack, our lack of a decent DM will mean we’d just get picked off by Utd on the break

we’ll see more on Tuesday after another few days of training and it is just West Ham after all ?

I am sure its the same midfield that got us through to the CL final beating teams like Man City and Ajax on the way. Your attempt to defend Jose's negativity is pathetic. Poch, before his demise, showed how well playing and pressing up field made for very good football (which was also a form of defence), and Jose used the same midfield personnel today. Poch didn't have the luxury of having Ndombele or Le Celso in that run, but he did well. My point is making excuses for Jose's negative tactics is baseless