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And I've explained to you why your observation and judgement is subjective.
And I didn't say I didn't appreciate the attacking football AVB presided over at Porto, I explained to you the reason a cited it.
And that was my very simple initial point that you dragged off topic. That players at the clubs AVB has managed, have been a major influence on how those teams have played, and within the framework and structure a coach can imbue, this is invariably a truism.
I will explain this again for you. This is the very simple point that I made in the post you took so much umbrage to:
I do not think everything that was wrong, especially with our creativity, was down to AVB. I think this has and is evidenced by some of what we have and are still seeing. It is about the collective wit and craft of the players in this current group.
If you agree, fine. If you disagree fine. But lets keep it to this point from here on in because I really can't be arsed to play this attritional bullshit game with you.
You do have this childish atavistic tendency to just repeat what I'm saying in a "no you are" "no you started it" manner.
My view that it's easier to do well in Portugal than England may be subjective in which case explain to me why I'm wrong.
The second and third paragraphs are circular waffle and not worth responding to.
No one is saying that AVB was all bad or all good, and that wasn't your initial point. You responded to some specific indirect criticism of AVB and jumped off the deep end with impertinent statements taking the issue way off course.
This is the simple point: it's a fact if not a common axiom that we played unadventurous cautious football this time last year. Either that was AVB's intention- or mindset; or as you say the players who as I've shown you weren't same as Wednesday are incompetent. Whichever is the case, AVB's record at Porto has no bearing on his time here.