Racism in management

[stonecolddeanaustin]

He never said anything about that, but I think it's safe to assume that he didn't want a job outside the Football League, in which case Sarpsborg are a slightly better prospect than Conference/Regional clubs, their level is probably around League One/Two but of course it's very hard to make a proper comparison like that.

In the case of Ince, he was so high profile throughout his career that there's no doubt he was a bit of an exception to the rule. To me it just seems like hiring any black manager is automatically labelled as a bit of a risky move, but then I think that goes hand in hand with the fact that none have really been given a proper chance at the highest level before, Chrissy at Norwich being the only real exception.

I think it's just considered a risky move to hire any young British manager in general, regardless of race. The only young British managers that seemed to have jumped into fairly high profile jobs with little coaching experience recently are those that spent years working under Ferguson (including Ince) and you can see why chairmen would have taken the risk with them (even though I don't think it's really paid off once yet).

 

[RickyVilla]

It's because they drink all the Red Stripe at the Xmas party and never share their curried goat.

 

[Col_M]

Couple of Dutch guys seemed to so alright as managers. If you're good enough you'll get the job. If you need to prove yourself. Go and prove yourself. Complain about discrimination and most employers will avoid you for fear of you stirring up trouble

 

[Col_M]

Thinking about it. It's a little like young English players. The good ones will get a crack but the rest get discarded and have to seek employment down a league or even in Poland. Why should prospective managers be any different.

 

[RichieS]

What I find far more baffling is why being a top player automatically gets you considered for management jobs, yet guys like Gary White (in the news recently as one of the most highly qualified coaches in the world) are stuck managing Guam.

 

[nailsy]

There does seem to be a problem somewhere but I don't think that it's race that's the main issue in this case. I would have thought that a manager would need to be someone who is respected by the people working for him. Campbell just doesn't command that respect. Lied to Tottenham when he left them for Arsenal, had a breakdown while at Arsenal and ran out the ground at half time, had his contract With Arsenal cancelled after telling them he wanted to move abroad but then signed for another English club, agreed to play for Notts County and then gave up on them after two games. Is that the kind of person who you would want in charge of your club?

 

[UncleBuck]

Considering there is a major lack of 40something English managers I'd be inclined to say ex pro white mangers are bring discriminated against.
TV work is a lot more glamorous and a lot less stressful, sit in a studio, look pretty with all their make up and chat absolute bollocks.
But then having seen his punditry skills coupled with notts county can he really be surprised?
Arsol.

 

[Spurger King]

I think we're all missing the big story here...

Spoiler

The Judas **** is leaving the country

 

[KILLA_SIN]

Hes such a poor role model for any [black] player and to be honest I hope he doesn't get a management gig black or not. He as a person is a twat. Ince, Hughton, from what limited knowledge i have of them come across as at least decent people.

 

[kr1978]

Some interesting stats from bbc website

-30% of players in the professional game are non white whereas only 18% of players on their coaching course are non white.
-there are 192 UEFA pro licence holders in England of those only 14 are black.

That 2nd figure is very telling to me, if there are only 14 black coaches qualified in the whole country then its no wonder there are so few managing at a high level.

IMO it is more to do with the merry go round of managers with very few being given a chance to break through to a high level and also the appointing of so many foreign managers. There are only 2 premier league managers I can think of who were appointed to the job whilst the team were in the PL (Alan pardew and Sam allardyce ) and then before them our own Harry redknapp and Roy hodgson, The other English managers in the PL in recent years got there by promotion from the championship. So I think it is a general problem affecting all English managers and not just black ones.

 

[UncleBuck]

Has he applied for the Swindon job? Didn't think do...
How about Palermo? I hear they've got rid of gattuso...

 

[t7ny]

Crock of shit, what chairman/board would not bring in a manager if they thought he was good enough, just because he's black? Not one! If he's good enough, he's hired!

 

[EnfieldYiddo]

Let's play the racism card!111!one!111

 

[sherbornespurs]

I thought the tw*t was about to embark on an acting career, what happened to that little venture? He's been out the game for what, 3 years? How come only now he's thought about doing his coaching badges, did he really think someone was going to say "oh, you're Sol Campbell - ex-pro, wannabe thespian, duped the club that nurtured you, 'retired' at half time at your next club, then walked out after your 1st match at league 2 level because your legs had gone.......so please come and manage our club".

He should play back his appearance on MoTD, then the penny might drop as to why he can't even get a slot on Talksport - that's how bad a pundit he is.

And he has the gall to blame racism for not getting a coaching job in this country. Ah Sol indeed.

 

[OmarsComing]

A lot of ex players of recent years don't want to/have to become managers due to their earning abilities during their career and thereafter. I think it is a maths problem not a race one -NB ratios. Brain Deane is a stand out case only because he is black - how many white ex pros who have wanted to become managers have been refused! I'm sure the white list is longer.

Results come before anything else. If the manager was a pink elephant who spoke 9 human languages, 3 cat languages and had a fetist for rhino porn, as long as he could motivate his players to unseen elite levels, the most important people, the fans and the money men, wouldn't give a flying fuck about his appearance.

 

[SelbYido]

Off topic a bit but the one racial question that I've always wondered about is why are there so few British Asian footballers? There are significant 2nd or 3rd generation Indian/Pakistani/Bengali populations in most large towns & cities in the UK but I can think of only a few league pros from those communities over the last decade or so.

 

[Woland]

I think it's just considered a risky move to hire any young British manager in general, regardless of race. The only young British managers that seemed to have jumped into fairly high profile jobs with little coaching experience recently are those that spent years working under Ferguson (including Ince) and you can see why chairmen would have taken the risk with them (even though I don't think it's really paid off once yet).

You're missing Rodgers and Clarke of Mourinho's litter (granted managers in their 40s are 'young')
True, 21 managers emerged under SAF and it didn't pay off, at least not in the top flight.

 

[Woland]

Off topic a bit but the one racial question that I've always wondered about is why are there so few British Asian footballers? There are significant 2nd or 3rd generation Indian/Pakistani/Bengali populations in most large towns & cities in the UK but I can think of only a few league pros from those communities over the last decade or so.

Asian kids are forced out of the game by street racism (both from white and black).
So they tend to resort to cricket and other sports where they're in good numbers within their communities.

 

[Woland]

Out of 52 African national teams only 20 are managed by blacks. Racism?
Guess how many black managers Brazil has had in 80 years? In the words of John Cleese - 'the answer is, I'm afraid, NONE'.
Chris Hughton was given the boot from Newcastle despite his club record 60% win ratio over 2 seasons not because he's no whitey. It was just because Ashley is a ****.

The question was why so many black footballers and so few black managers.
I can only wonder but I am almost sure racism is not he reason why.
Black footballers don't go into management because they don't want to or they feel like it'd not appropriate for them in spite of the fact that the business environment had changed a decade ago.

But why not? Paul Ince is rubbish and he keeps getting gigs. As does Steve Bruce. As does Alex fuckin McLeish, FFS!
The vicious circle of recycling bad coaches is colour blind. Sol Campbell can feel entitled to any job, even managerial, even getting one, if he wasn't fuckin mental.

 

[Lilbaz]

Some interesting stats from bbc website

-30% of players in the professional game are non white whereas only 18% of players on their coaching course are non white.
-there are 192 UEFA pro licence holders in England of those only 14 are black.

That 2nd figure is very telling to me, if there are only 14 black coaches qualified in the whole country then its no wonder there are so few managing at a high level.

IMO it is more to do with the merry go round of managers with very few being given a chance to break through to a high level and also the appointing of so many foreign managers. There are only 2 premier league managers I can think of who were appointed to the job whilst the team were in the PL (Alan pardew and Sam allardyce ) and then before them our own Harry redknapp and Roy hodgson, The other English managers in the PL in recent years got there by promotion from the championship. So I think it is a general problem affecting all English managers and not just black ones.

It a self fulfilling prophecy. There's no black managers so I'm not going to do my coaching badges because I wont get a job. So that means there are no black managers.

How many managers in the premiership are English and how many of them are white?

Just like players, if a manager is good enough it doesn't matter what colour they are. There's too much money in football for it to be racist these days (at least in this country).