Premier League officially postponed until 17th of June

[Saoirse]

I think the TV companies are going to eventually be the bad guys in all this and their greed will ultimately be there undoing when the clubs get pissed off and pressurise the PL to take the games in house to broadcast.

Premier League clubs fear impact after learning of extra broadcast rebates

Broadcasters are due an extra £36m in rebates for every week the 2019-20 Premier League season extends beyond 16 July

www.theguardian.com

Hopefully the league do that. Would be much, much better for the consumer and I think eventually at least for the clubs as well.

 

[feet01]

So the FA have said women’s football is finished now with no more games left to play. Just seems so hypocritical

 

[Saoirse]

So the FA have said women’s football is finished now with no more games left to play. Just seems so hypocritical

It's just economics. For the Premier League and Championship, the TV money makes it worthwhile to play matches with no fans. Below that level for most clubs, the associated costs (no furloughing players, ~100 staff per game, pitch maintenance, travel, player bonuses etc) are higher than the revenue gained by playing. League One is substantially bigger than the Women's Super League, and that looks unlikely to continue - League Two have already given up.

 

[Thewobbler]

Will league 2 finishing pressure the other leagues above? Theyve told clubs that they have been promoted. What if league 1 vote to void and no one gets relegated or promoted.

 

[yankspurs]

I think the TV companies are going to eventually be the bad guys in all this and their greed will ultimately be there undoing when the clubs get pissed off and pressurise the PL to take the games in house to broadcast.

Premier League clubs fear impact after learning of extra broadcast rebates

Broadcasters are due an extra £36m in rebates for every week the 2019-20 Premier League season extends beyond 16 July

www.theguardian.com

Hang on, so the tv broadcasters with nothing to broadcast in the summer want money back if they have something to broadcast in the summer? Interesting.

 

[UncleBuck]

Watford

Mrs B has just told me that the club opened up their catering facilities to Watford General staff, no wonder Deeney wants to stay away!

 

[rossdapep]

Mrs B has just told me that the club opened up their catering facilities to Watford General staff, no wonder Deeney wants to stay away!

Exactly what I said would happen but some thought that clubs would only exclusively keep players in catering areas.

You can't have staff on site and refuse them facilities. Either they come in and have access to those facilities or they stay at home. Can't have security being told to pack lunches and keep them in their car or whatever.

 

[wadewill]

I know I’m being cynical but right from the start Watford haven’t wanted this played, partly because of their position.

Pearson making needless political comments in pressers rubbed me up the wrong way though, so I have a new found dislike for them

 

[kthwlsn]

Exactly what I said would happen but some thought that clubs would only exclusively keep players in catering areas.

You can't have staff on site and refuse them facilities. Either they come in and have access to those facilities or they stay at home. Can't have security being told to pack lunches and keep them in their car or whatever.

I genuinely don’t know how it works in the UK but in the US every major professional stadium has separate dining facilities for players and staff/media.

 

[spursfan77]

I genuinely don’t know how it works in the UK but in the US every major professional stadium has separate dining facilities for players and staff/media.

Harry Winks said the other day that they have a small dining area off of the changing rooms at the stadium now. Media have the media cafe off of the stadium. There’s no way the two would mix I shouldn’t of thought.

 

[buckley]

So the premier league is shut down until safe to return .
I would like to place a bet that Danny Rose will find something to say about how " downtrodden " the players are and I find his complaints that he had to train with only one day a week off at spurs compared to the two or three rest days at Newcastle distasteful .
His complaints of players in the top flight being used as guinea pigs just does not hold water . The NHS and many other workers have worked thru all of this and never once have I heard one of them complain about being " a guinea pig " .
This bloke should keep his mouth shut because his " poor me poor footballers " views just does not hold water .
He complains about being victimised for earning big money .
Well Danny I worked along with many others 6 or 7 days a week all my working life for a tiny fraction of what the premior league players receive
and my working day was between 8 to 10 hours a day in all weather and conditions .
Footballers train 2 or 3 hours a day at something I presume the love whereas most of us have or are doing work that gives us little satisfaction and is just a means of feeding the family and would just love to have the life of the poor downtrodden victimised guinea pig life of a pro footballer . Dont let the very publicised matter of his giving money to the cv19 causes fool you many others have done as much if not more than him without looking for publicity with the aim of saying " look how caring I am " as he gives away a few thousand he can well afford . I await the insults for my views .

 

[thekneaf]

So the premier league is shut down until safe to return .
I would like to place a bet that Danny Rose will find something to say about how " downtrodden " the players are and I find his complaints that he had to train with only one day a week off at spurs compared to the two or three rest days at Newcastle distasteful .
His complaints of players in the top flight being used as guinea pigs just does not hold water . The NHS and many other workers have worked thru all of this and never once have I heard one of them complain about being " a guinea pig " .
This bloke should keep his mouth shut because his " poor me poor footballers " views just does not hold water .
He complains about being victimised for earning big money .
Well Danny I worked along with many others 6 or 7 days a week all my working life for a tiny fraction of what the premior league players receive
and my working day was between 8 to 10 hours a day in all weather and conditions .
Footballers train 2 or 3 hours a day at something I presume the love whereas most of us have or are doing work that gives us little satisfaction and is just a means of feeding the family and would just love to have the life of the poor downtrodden victimised guinea pig life of a pro footballer . Dont let the very publicised matter of his giving money to the cv19 causes fool you many others have done as much if not more than him without looking for publicity with the aim of saying " look how caring I am " as he gives away a few thousand he can well afford . I await the insults for my views .

Surely being in a position of relative power like footballers are is a preferable model. Many people have managers, jobs and financial commitments that mean they can't say no. They have to put their body and mental health on the line. That's not right.

Football isn't life and death, we the fans won't die if we don't get football. So their isn't a rush.

That said, to say again, I do get your frustration at the perceived privilege of Rose and other mouthy footballers. But I think your frustration should be directed higher up the chain.

 

[brasil_spur]

Football isn't life and death, we the fans won't die if we don't get football. So their isn't a rush.

True, but then neither is McDonalds. In fact if anything opening up McDonalds will lead to more death than less.

What will potentially die though if football isn't opening is some of the football clubs who can't afford to lose out on the revenue they'll be giving back if the season ends early.

I get that it's a tricky debate to have, but it's not as simple as "we the fans won't die if football doesn't return".

 

[nailsy]

So the premier league is shut down until safe to return .
I would like to place a bet that Danny Rose will find something to say about how " downtrodden " the players are and I find his complaints that he had to train with only one day a week off at spurs compared to the two or three rest days at Newcastle distasteful .
His complaints of players in the top flight being used as guinea pigs just does not hold water . The NHS and many other workers have worked thru all of this and never once have I heard one of them complain about being " a guinea pig " .
This bloke should keep his mouth shut because his " poor me poor footballers " views just does not hold water .
He complains about being victimised for earning big money .
Well Danny I worked along with many others 6 or 7 days a week all my working life for a tiny fraction of what the premior league players receive
and my working day was between 8 to 10 hours a day in all weather and conditions .
Footballers train 2 or 3 hours a day at something I presume the love whereas most of us have or are doing work that gives us little satisfaction and is just a means of feeding the family and would just love to have the life of the poor downtrodden victimised guinea pig life of a pro footballer . Dont let the very publicised matter of his giving money to the cv19 causes fool you many others have done as much if not more than him without looking for publicity with the aim of saying " look how caring I am " as he gives away a few thousand he can well afford . I await the insults for my views .

You certainly shouldn't be insulted for your views. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and you haven't insulted anyone in your post.

His comments about training six days a week at Tottenham didn't bother me at all. He got on with it at the time and now he's saying that it's nice to have another day off. I'm not sure where the harm in that is?

Players are paid big money, but risking your life is something you can't really put a price on. If he feels it's unsafe to go to work, he's entitled to say so. Again I don't see an issue with him saying what he thinks about this situation, or should players just shut-up and do as they're told even if they think it's unsafe? If we don't want to hear what players say why even read the interviews in the first place? As he says, he's putting himself at risk for entertainment.

And I've heard plenty of doctors and nurses complaining about their working conditions throughout this - as they're entitled to do when they feel it's not safe.

 

[thekneaf]

True, but then neither is McDonalds. In fact if anything opening up McDonalds will lead to more death than less.

What will potentially die though if football isn't opening is some of the football clubs who can't afford to lose out on the revenue they'll be giving back if the season ends early.

I get that it's a tricky debate to have, but it's not as simple as "we the fans won't die if football doesn't return".

The Macdonald's point supports my point. Staff there often just have to work regardless of how safe they feel.

The money aspect of it is a fare point, but that was always going to come to a head at some point as the numbers were frankly ridiculous. If the business model that was this lucrative didn't have tolerance for what isn't that an unusual occurrence, then does it deserve to survive?

Football will endure if we the fans value it, it just might not look the same. AFC Wimbledon already proved that.

 

[brasil_spur]

The Macdonald's point supports my point. Staff there often just have to work regardless of how safe they feel.

The money aspect of it is a fare point, but that was always going to come to a head at some point as the numbers were frankly ridiculous. If the business model that was this lucrative didn't have tolerance for what isn't that an unusual occurrence, then does it deserve to survive?

Football will endure if we the fans value it, it just might not look the same. AFC Wimbledon already proved that.

I agree the financial model in football is massively flawed but it's only a bi-product of the wider capitalist-centric society that we live in, there are examples of it everywhere and until we as the population fundamentally change the way we consume products and services (football being one of them) then this model will continue. I don't think it's fair to say the current pandemic isn't unusual though, i'm close to 40 and never lived through anything like this so to me it seems very uncommon, certainly in the context of the modern premier league.

Of course football will endure, if it can thrive in the favelas of Rio it can survive the current economic impacts facing it, but businesses, including PL clubs, aren't run by philosophical individuals worrying about the integrity of the beautiful game, otherwise we'd never be where we are now.

 

[thekneaf]

I agree the financial model in football is massively flawed but it's only a bi-product of the wider capitalist-centric society that we live in, there are examples of it everywhere and until we as the population fundamentally change the way we consume products and services (football being one of them) then this model will continue. I don't think it's fair to say the current pandemic isn't unusual though, i'm close to 40 and never lived through anything like this so to me it seems very uncommon, certainly in the context of the modern premier league.

Of course football will endure, if it can thrive in the favelas of Rio it can survive the current economic impacts facing it, but businesses, including PL clubs, aren't run by philosophical individuals worrying about the integrity of the beautiful game, otherwise we'd never be where we are now.

Definitely not common, but not unexpected. Last century there were three separate events that shut football down. As business as large as the PL should be factoring in contingency for those types of events, or at least have an effective and agreed model with it's member clubs for addressing it.

 

[brasil_spur]

Definitely not common, but not unexpected. Last century there were three separate events that shut football down. As business as large as the PL should be factoring in contingency for those types of events, or at least have an effective and agreed model with it's member clubs for addressing it.

Two of those events were World Wars though, the most recent of which started over 80 years ago. Should PL clubs do what Wimbledon did and have pandemic and other insurances to cover them - yes. Should they build a contingency system based around the potential for their business to be stopped by a world war - no, almost no global business does this.

 

[dudu]

Two of those events were World Wars though, the most recent of which started over 80 years ago. Should PL clubs do what Wimbledon did and have pandemic and other insurances to cover them - yes. Should they build a contingency system based around the potential for their business to be stopped by a world war - no, almost no global business does this.

They should have had one for a Pandemic, everyone should have.

We were all told, no one wanted to listen.

 

[brasil_spur]

They should have had one for a Pandemic, everyone should have.

We were all told, no one wanted to listen.

I agree, although hindsight is a beautiful thing. A pandemic like this is only one of many similar things we should have been prepared for, but even after this i think it's highly unlikely there will be much change in people's thinking on those other areas.