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Dashy

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His young son has breathing difficulties so naturally he is concerned about catching the virus and transmitting to his family.
He is putting his family before his career.
Any reasonable person would agree with his decision.

Got to say that i'm getting more annoyed by Troy Deeney's comments at the moment - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52721397

I think he is definitely right to take the decision due to his personal circumstances of having a baby who has a known pre-existing condition to not go back to training and the club are right to support him in this.

However this statement is awful ""I can't get a haircut until mid-July but I can go and get in a box with 19 people and go and jump for a header and nobody could answer the questions". He simply doesn't understand how fundamentally different a training ground and a hairdressers is and is being given a platform to express this opinion - which is totally lacking in basic common sense and scientific understanding.

His issue about BAME players is also very misguided as he seems to think that the virus is specifically targeting ethnicity when in reality the evidence points towards two factors - socio-economic status of BAME people (which doesn't apply to PL footballers earning 10s of £k per week) and the likely impact that Vitamin D deficiency plays in the severity of C-19, where BAME people are more impacted, especially in the UK, which can be easily rectified by taking a supplement, something which frankly any high achieving sports professional (or at least their physios) should be well aware of and already doing.
 

dudu

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So footballers are all being tested and there going to be fairly strict processes around how they train and they are largely isolated from the general public.

Wheres a barbers will have a lot of different members of the public who are under no imposed processes coming in and out. It may be that many barbers wear masks and gloves, however it's unlikely to be enforced, as this hasn't happened even with people handling food and at supermarkets in the UK as yet. Also based on what i've been seeing the last couple of months there is a notable percentage of the UK population who are reckless or not bothered enough to take sensible precautions.

So in short - there will be lots of the public at barbers, but very limited public in football training. There will be testing in place for football but not for people going to the barbers.

Add to this that barbers don't restrict customers based on age and pre-existing conditions. 95% of deaths in the UK come from this category. So whilst TD is worried about himself, he doesn't seem to be worried much in his statement about passing the virus on to someone in this category.

There's no evidence that C-19 can be transmitted via sweat - so the science does not at all back up your claim about virus transmission likelihood.

What is the current process for all people training? Are they all quarantined? Is every person involved with Watford football club quarantining? How many people is Troy coming into contact with a day, how many other, different people are those people coming in to contact with a day?
 

SurreySpur82

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I had a dream our first game back was a FIFA-esque thrashing of Stoke City where every kick off was followed by a run and goal. It was 4-0 by 10th minute.
I woke up at 40 minutes. Tried to fall back asleep and resume but no dice.
I hope not or Spurs have been relegated during lockdown
 

Maxtremist

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This is literally the only issue though as far as i can see - quarantining any travellers in certain countries. And whilst there is a slim chance that some countries might be doing this as late as August this year, i can't see this being common place by October/November.

So it might mean a re-structuring of the European format to accommodate this, but personally i don't see countries being able to continue with quarantining for all travellers in this way. I think if this still needs to be the case in a few months time then some kind of "i've been tested in the last X days" passport will need to be implemented.

Surely until there's a vaccine we still have to manage dealing with this virus fairly similarly? Yes, lockdown and social distancing measures may relax significantly especially as the R rate goes down, but we aren't gonna be at the stage of eliminating the virus so still will be that whole idea of self isolating if you have symptoms etc... so whilst not to the extent it is today I can realistically seeing some major affect still happening to international travel that will certainly affect European football. I think there's nothing to really suggest that by October or November we won't still be doing some form of quarantine for international travels.

But yes, I do echo your thoughts that I think if anything, CL + Europa are not going to go ahead next year anywhere close to how they normally would. Maybe some bastardisation/changed form of them but not as we know it. I mean just on a practical note the Uefa league qualifying normally starts around Mid June which certainly isn't going to be happening this year. So there's going to have to be some changes. And I'd argue you can't just write that off since Wolves started in the Europa league in June 2019 and they're still in the competition now so it's not like no-one from that stage makes it through.

I guess a lot of it comes down to when these countries can bring in things like contact tracing to aid with the testing and keeping an eye on the spread/how strictly they can keep the players to just their camps. Not to call him out but at the rate we're going, it feels like we're one week away from hearing Kyle Walker has had a sex party again and caught Coivd-19 from a sex worker there and that'll mess things up yet again.
 

Colonel Dax

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This is literally the only issue though as far as i can see - quarantining any travellers in certain countries. And whilst there is a slim chance that some countries might be doing this as late as August this year, i can't see this being common place by October/November.

So it might mean a re-structuring of the European format to accommodate this, but personally i don't see countries being able to continue with quarantining for all travellers in this way. I think if this still needs to be the case in a few months time then some kind of "i've been tested in the last X days" passport will need to be implemented.

The problem is we don't know yet. If previous virus pandemics are anything to go by, there might be another spike in the autumn / winter, in which case we might need to go into lockdown / quarantine again. What's needed is wide scale antibody testing (whenever it happens), to determine current immunity levels of the population. If it's low, then further lockdowns are highly likely as the winter kicks in. If on the other hand there's already mid to high levels of immunity and / or scientists can develop effective treatments, or track and trace becomes efficient, then perhaps what you outline as a scenario can happen and European football comps can return to some level of normality.
 

Timbo Tottenham

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Got to say that i'm getting more annoyed by Troy Deeney's comments at the moment - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52721397

I think he is definitely right to take the decision due to his personal circumstances of having a baby who has a known pre-existing condition to not go back to training and the club are right to support him in this.

However this statement is awful ""I can't get a haircut until mid-July but I can go and get in a box with 19 people and go and jump for a header and nobody could answer the questions". He simply doesn't understand how fundamentally different a training ground and a hairdressers is and is being given a platform to express this opinion - which is totally lacking in basic common sense and scientific understanding.

His issue about BAME players is also very misguided as he seems to think that the virus is specifically targeting ethnicity when in reality the evidence points towards two factors - socio-economic status of BAME people (which doesn't apply to PL footballers earning 10s of £k per week) and the likely impact that Vitamin D deficiency plays in the severity of C-19, where BAME people are more impacted, especially in the UK, which can be easily rectified by taking a supplement, something which frankly any high achieving sports professional (or at least their physios) should be well aware of and already doing.

The ONS has actually found that even after taking into account age, measures of self-reported health and disability and other socio-demographic characteristics, black people were still almost twice as likely as white people to die a Covid-19-related death.

Bangladeshi and Pakistani males were 1.8 times more likely to die from Covid-19 than white males, after other pre-existing factors had been accounted for, and females from those ethnic groups were 1.6 times more likely to die from the virus than their white counterparts.

The risk of Covid-19 death for people from Chinese and mixed ethnic groups was found to be similar to that for white people.

So I believe that they are legitimate concerns
 

bubble07

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Just watching highlights of dortmund game. The game just seems so slow and relies on technical ability
 

Trotter

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Is that good news or not?

Expected news, but less than 1% is good, and they will self-isolate for a week, and group training will continue as planned.
I suppose the worst case scenario would be if 4 of the 6 were all the medical staff from one club for example.
 
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JCRD

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Im more intrigued with what happened with the testing after the bundesliga games? thats really the acid test i think and if everyone was free of the virus beforehand then i would expect zero unless something had happened...
 

Saoirse

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Deeney's situation makes sense. So he won't be able to play. It's no different to a player getting a long-term injury. The league goes on regardless.
 

McFlash

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I don't blame Deeney at all, nor do I think there's anything wrong with his comments.
My little girl is at risk and the ex and I have decided that she won't be returning to school on 1st June.
Any parent would be the safety of their children before anything else.
 

spursfan77

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Is that good news or not?

I would say probably not. That’s because all the Infected players have been told to do Is self isolated for 7 days while the rest of their team continue training.

So if the same approach occurs when there are actual games on, as I predicted the other week, the PL are going to treat it like any other injury and that player will just miss the games. I think we could see another lasagnegate where half a team may be wiped out and forced to play (unless of course it’s Man U, Liverpool or arsenal!).
 

brasil_spur

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His young son has breathing difficulties so naturally he is concerned about catching the virus and transmitting to his family.
He is putting his family before his career.
Any reasonable person would agree with his decision.
So basically exactly what I said, I agree with his decision but I disagree with his wider comments.
 
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