Premier League officially postponed until 17th of June

[Tottenhamboy85]

West Ham would get relegated under weighted ppg ?

EFL has said it has to be unweighted PPG so doubt the PL would say different

 

[Hotspur33]

A lot of worker are not key workers and are working too you know not everyone has the luxury of working from home, can afford not to work or are being furloughed.
So what if they are key workers life has to go on the long term damage to our economy,freedoms and way of life will be more crippling in the long term that the 50,000 deaths that the virus will tragically kill imo

A completely valid point. I suspect the new government directive is going to mean a new tactic in beating the virus. I suspect the aim is to achieve herd immunity for the fit and healthy whilst vulnerable people continue to self isolate until a vaccine is created. This will allow more people to get back to work more quickly.
Football included.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Yeah great. Just pop back to work, you may well cark it but it's for the good of the economy. What could be more noble, that'll sustain your loved ones.

Tell you what, if you bite the dust, we'll clap you.

If that's how you feel, go on, get out there yourselves, get your families out there too, go on, take the punt. You'll probably lose a few family members but hey-ho. Greater good and all that what?

Fucking gobshites.

 

[dondo]

Yeah great. Just pop back to work, you may well cark it but it's for the good of the economy. What could be more noble, that'll sustain your loved ones.

Tell you what, if you bite the dust, we'll clap you.

If that's how you feel, go on, get out there yourselves, get your families out there too, go on, take the punt. You'll probably lose a few family members but hey-ho. Greater good and all that what?

Fucking gobshites.

Yeah let’s hide in our houses forever.
Me and mine are out their thanks.
What if you or your loved ones got sick and all the doctors and nurses had your attitude?
Also what is this self isolating doing to people’s mental health? I know from family members with pre existing mental health issues

 

[Maxtremist]

Yeah let’s hide in our houses forever.
What if you or your loved ones got sick and all the doctors and nurses had your attitude?
Also what is this self isolating doing to people’s mental health? I know from family members with pre existing mental health issues

Yes, self isolating has a lot of knock on effects to people's mental health and physical health. But death has an even bigger effect on that.

It's not about hiding in our houses forever, literally no-one is saying that. The main thing people are saying (Governments and public) is that we're taking it in stages/figuring out when's best to do things safely.

Sticking to the footballers and issue at hand, they're not key workers so they do not need to be working. They're well within their rights to say they don't feel it's safe/have enough assurances that it's safe for them to play yet and are voicing their concerns about it. It's not that they never will play, just that right now they don't need to and have not been convinced/told they can look after themselves and their families adequately.

 

[Metalhead]

A completely valid point. I suspect the new government directive is going to mean a new tactic in beating the virus. I suspect the aim is to achieve herd immunity for the fit and healthy whilst vulnerable people continue to self isolate until a vaccine is created. This will allow more people to get back to work more quickly.
Football included.

Wasn't that the original strategy?

 

[Metalhead]

Yeah let’s hide in our houses forever.
Me and mine are out their thanks.
What if you or your loved ones got sick and all the doctors and nurses had your attitude?
Also what is this self isolating doing to people’s mental health? I know from family members with pre existing mental health issues

My wife and I are both key workers but I appreciate that everyone has a different take on it.

 

[dondo]

Yes, self isolating has a lot of knock on effects to people's mental health and physical health. But death has an even bigger effect on that.

It's not about hiding in our houses forever, literally no-one is saying that. The main thing people are saying (Governments and public) is that we're taking it in stages/figuring out when's best to do things safely.

Sticking to the footballers and issue at hand, they're not key workers so they do not need to be working. They're well within their rights to say they don't feel it's safe/have enough assurances that it's safe for them to play yet and are voicing their concerns about it. It's not that they never will play, just that right now they don't need to and have not been convinced/told they can look after themselves and their families adequately.

It’s a small percentage of people out there that are dying I would wager suicides and violence at home are killing a fair few too

 

[Maxtremist]

It’s a small percentage of people out there that are dying I would wager suicides and violence at home are killing a fair few too

Yes, they killing a few as well. Doesn't change the fact that the virus is killing many others and also we're unsure of the lasting effect on others who've caught it who don't die from it directly so we're trying to do what we can to prevent it.

And as I said, we're taking things in stages (And whilst my feelings on the government are another topic for another day). So overall self isolating/this lockdown is the best thing to deal with this virus and not overtax our NHS/health services now so we can be better equipped to deal with it in the future/long term.

Again, trying to keep it on football (as I did in my last message) is that when it comes to footballers, a few of them are understandably worried about the safety of themselves and their families so want to feel a little more assured about that before they have to play again.

 

[wayneg]

What if you or your loved ones got sick and all the doctors and nurses had your attitude?

I know im like a banging drum, but Doctors and Nurses are Key Workers, that is why they along with every other key worker are applauded by the whole of the UK every Thursday night to show how much we value them and respect them for the work they do and the risk they are taking - footballers / non key workers are not.

It’s a small percentage of people out there that are dying I would wager suicides and violence at home are killing a fair few too

I would say suicides and violence at home are killing an even smaller percentage compared to the virus at present, and suicides are not a contageous disease and I for one am not putting mental health down as its extremly important however over the last few months the virus has to take priority.

 

[dondo]

I know im like a banging drum, but Doctors and Nurses are Key Workers, that is why they along with every other key worker are applauded by the whole of the UK every Thursday night to show how much we value them and respect them for the work they do and the risk they are taking - footballers / non key workers are not.



I would say suicides and violence at home are killing an even smaller percentage compared to the virus at present, and suicides are not a contageous disease and I for one am not putting mental health down as its extremly important however over the last few months the virus has to take priority.

Just because they are labelled by the government key workers doesn’t meant they have to go to work, if they feel it is unsafe (which it almost certainly is) surely they have to right to choose to not go to work justlike the footballers and everyone else but footballers and many others workers work under much safer conditions but it’s to dangerous for them

 

[Metalhead]

My only worry is a bounce back in the Autumn as there is always a chance of a flu epidemic come winter.

 

[Timberwolf]

Yes, they killing a few as well. Doesn't change the fact that the virus is killing many others and also we're unsure of the lasting effect on others who've caught it who don't die from it directly so we're trying to do what we can to prevent it.

And as I said, we're taking things in stages (And whilst my feelings on the government are another topic for another day). So overall self isolating/this lockdown is the best thing to deal with this virus and not overtax our NHS/health services now so we can be better equipped to deal with it in the future/long term.

Again, trying to keep it on football (as I did in my last message) is that when it comes to footballers, a few of them are understandably worried about the safety of themselves and their families so want to feel a little more assured about that before they have to play again.

This was 100% true pre-lockdown when no-one was taking it seriously and the virus was spreading like wildfire. We had no choice but to lockdown to prevent exponential growth and completely overwhelming the NHS.

However, I also don't think it's really feasible for everyone, everywhere to just hunker down into lockdown until this has entirely passed. By the time a vaccine is available various industries will be crippled beyond repair, families will be destitute and the collective morale of the country will be through the floor.

As much as the Tories' "Stay Alert" slogan is tripe and their guidelines vague, I do believe that a cautious, sensible easing of the lockdown is the least shit option we have (there's no such thing as a good option here). All those above a certain age/with underlying health issues, etc (i.e. those who make up the vast majority of casualties) shouldn't be going anywhere near work, nor should those that live with them. However, expecting the rest of the nation to just hole up inside for the foreseeable future could be just as disastrous as just calling off the lockdown entirely. The trick is to strike the right balance: give clear guidelines, do testing, and put people at as little risk as possible while keeping the country running in some capacity.

When it comes to football I'm torn. On the one hand, it's obviously non-essential and it's clear the primary reason to complete the season is money. However, if the Bundesliga restart runs smoothly, we start at a sensible date and the players are collectively comfortable with it, why not? If we can do it safely and isolate anyone who tests positive then the risk should be extremely low. I think it would be good for the morale of the country and a share of the money could be put aside to fund lower league clubs in financial difficulty, preserving people's livelihoods.

 

[Maxtremist]

This was 100% true pre-lockdown when no-one was taking it seriously and the virus was spreading like wildfire. We had no choice but to lockdown to prevent exponential growth and completely overwhelming the NHS.

However, I also don't think it's really feasible for everyone, everywhere to just hunker down into lockdown until this has entirely passed. By the time a vaccine is available various industries will be crippled beyond repair, families will be destitute and the collective morale of the country will be through the floor.

As much as the Tories' "Stay Alert" slogan is tripe and their guidelines vague, I do believe that a cautious, sensible easing of the lockdown is the least shit option we have (there's no such thing as a good option here). All those above a certain age/with underlying health issues, etc (i.e. those who make up the vast majority of casualties) shouldn't be going anywhere near work, nor should those that live with them. However, expecting the rest of the nation to just hole up inside for the foreseeable future could be just as disastrous as just calling off the lockdown entirely. The trick is to strike the right balance: give clear guidelines, do testing, and put people at as little risk as possible while keeping the country running in some capacity.

When it comes to football I'm torn. On the one hand, it's obviously non-essential and it's clear the primary reason to complete the season is money. However, if the Bundesliga restart runs smoothly, we start at a sensible date and the players are collectively comfortable with it, why not? If we can do it safely and isolate anyone who tests positive then the risk should be extremely low. I think it would be good for the morale of the country and a share of the money could be put aside to fund lower league clubs in financial difficulty, preserving people's livelihoods.

Oh I fully agree that it's not best/feasible for everyone. Trying to refrain from full on Government talks here but it's basically them trying to think of the least shit option. (As you say, there is no good option here).

As for football, again I agree on the somewhat torn nature. With regards to the Bundesliga, it'll be interesting to see how they get on but it's hard to directly compare since their response to the virus was different to ours so can't be viewed as like for like. But do feel that if we get into a better spot in this country (as generally the trend is starting to go towards) then I have less opposition in them playing again.

 

[riggi]

It’s coming back and Liverpool will win the league.

 

[stormfly]

Would anyone’s opinion on here Change about starting the league again if Spurs were in a position to challenge for anything this year? I know top 4 is still a possibility but I’m not even sure if the CL will happen next year. I’m struggling to get excited about the restart mainly because I’m not sure how safe it is to do so but I think deep down it’s also because this season has been a bit of a car crash for us.

 

[Metalhead]

Would anyone’s opinion on here Change about starting the league again if Spurs were in a position to challenge for anything this year? I know top 4 is still a possibility but I’m not even sure if the CL will happen next year. I’m struggling to get excited about the restart mainly because I’m not sure how safe it is to do so but I think deep down it’s also because this season has been a bit of a car crash for us.

If people were honest about it - and some are - the fact that we have nothing to play for and that the season has been a shit show from the word go is definitely playing a part.

 

[Monkey boy]

If people were honest about it - and some are - the fact that we have nothing to play for and that the season has been a shit show from the word go is definitely playing a part.

that and Liverpool about to win the league.

 

[Metalhead]

that and Liverpool about to win the league.

Ha ha yeah, that too.

 

[bubble07]

If we can win our next 2 games and results in other games go our way we will be 5th. They can stop the season at that point then everyone's a winner