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wayneg

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It's why I brought up Villa who have a game in hand so PPG I think might favour them. Either way, them having a game in hand that could take them out of the relegation zone would/is a big stumbling block in all of this. Would be slightly different if everyone had played the same number of games.

PPG still will have Villa in the releagtion zone. Yes I agree the game in hand is a stumbling block for all options especially as its a home game with Sheff Utd, my brother is a Villa fan and the only option that will save them is a voided season as all others including finishing the season he belives will relegate them ?
 

Maxtremist

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PPG still will have Villa in the releagtion zone. Yes I agree the game in hand is a stumbling block for all options especially as its a home game with Sheff Utd, my brother is a Villa fan and the only option that will save them is a voided season as all others including finishing the season he belives will relegate them ?

Either way, I get that your offering alternatives but they're all gonna wanna go for voiding the season as option one, playing without relegation as option two or playing the season at their original grounds as option three (though as Norwich are saying only if the Championship also plays too)

Appreciate the thinking behind the option but I think there's far too many issues with it as I mentioned. Wether it's Villa's game in hand. Any of those teams thinking they have a better chance finishing the prem than a one off. The championship since that wasn't decided yet (playoffs and all)

'Hey Norwich, do you want 2 games to save your season or 9?'
 

brasil_spur

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Voiding this season and preparing for next season is by far the most safe and sensible course of action.

1) Integrity is severly compromised restarting this season.

2) The rate of infection will undoubtedly be lower in three months, probably significantly lower ultimately alievating stress on our national resources and providing a far safer environment for players

3) This extra three months will allow more time for planning in what is a very fluid situation. Rushed decisions under hugely pressurised conditions, brought about by the footballing authorities, could have huge detrimental ramifications for some Clubs.

I do agree with this. But it does miss out the fundamental issue of providing funds to clubs that they need in order to sustain their operations. If the season is voided how do we ensure that the massive loss of funds into the game doesn't cause long term issues for certain clubs?

I think if we can somehow get over the hurdle then it's feasible to void the season, but it would need to be a total void IMO.
 

dudu

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Absolutely - the game is going to change. The world is going to change for a while. Of course it isn't fair for the relegation clubs but surely it's equally unfair on the clubs missing promotion? It's unfair on every club who will be unable to act in the transfer market. It's unfair on all the support staff who will lose their jobs. It's unfair on clubs like Sheffield and Wolves who will potentially lose out on European football. It's unfair on all the clubs going broke.

Whatever happens it's going to be unfair and it's going to affect some teams worse than others. Voiding the season doesn't makes things fair - it just alters the balance of unfairness.

I think the real danger here is viewing the PL in a bubble and thinking solely about what is best for the PL. We should be thinking about what is best for football as a whole. How can the sport pull together to protect as many clubs as possible. Putting things off until August means that all football clubs will suffer for the next 10 weeks, and there is nothing to say that come August everything can go back to how it was.

I'm not trying to saying that finishing the current season is fair because it's not. What I'm saying is that voiding the current season doesn't help prepare for the next and it doesn't mean that we magically go back to normal at some point. The best preparation for next season isn't going to be more theoretical planning, a new competition or just playing friendlies. It will be trying to complete this season and learning which compromises are the acceptable ones and where improvements need to be made.

It can and would help.

Teams can play friendlies for a month (which is essentially what most of the games left to play are going to be anyway) and learn how things need to be improved.

Surely that's even more sensible that starting up a tournament where a ridiculous amount of money is at stake and trying to figure out how best to do this.
 

brasil_spur

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There is and there is precedent in the lower leagues.

If you complete 75% of fixtures then it’s done on ppg. Under 75% then voided.

Problem is that as it’s on the cusp - Liverpool 76% - Man City 73%

So that’s what’s confusing things further...

If the precedent is 75% of games completed then you look at that based on total prem games, not on a per team basis. So it would be under the cut-off point. That being said we are experiencing an unprecedented pandemic, so not sure whether precedent makes all that much difference.
 

Mr Pink

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I do agree with this. But it does miss out the fundamental issue of providing funds to clubs that they need in order to sustain their operations. If the season is voided how do we ensure that the massive loss of funds into the game doesn't cause long term issues for certain clubs?

I think if we can somehow get over the hurdle then it's feasible to void the season, but it would need to be a total void IMO.

A total void for sure. Regarding your question it's obviously a difficult one. Can only suggest some sort of emergency funding from the government, in the interim, for the ones that need it most
 

Trotter

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I do agree with this. But it does miss out the fundamental issue of providing funds to clubs that they need in order to sustain their operations. If the season is voided how do we ensure that the massive loss of funds into the game doesn't cause long term issues for certain clubs?

I think if we can somehow get over the hurdle then it's feasible to void the season, but it would need to be a total void IMO.

The season will not be null and voided, that is a gimme.
It will be settled on a sporting basis from this season, and promotion to and from Championship will happen.
Greg Clarke basically told the clubs that on Monday (which was the first time curtailing the season was even discussed), and FA must ratify any decision PL make.
How that is decided, finishing season to natural conclusion (by far the preferred method), stopping and deciding based on current positions, PPG, weighted PPG, go back to when every team had played 19 games, if a champion is declared or not, the clubs would decide, but the over-riding parameters have been set.


From BBC today, on the Norwich story
The Football Association has already said it expects teams to be relegated and promoted between the top two leagues and will use its stake in the system to ensure it happens.
 
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vegassd

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It can and would help.

Teams can play friendlies for a month (which is essentially what most of the games left to play are going to be anyway) and learn how things need to be improved.

Surely that's even more sensible that starting up a tournament where a ridiculous amount of money is at stake and trying to figure out how best to do this.
I guess we just disagree, which is fine.

I don't think that the remaining PL games are just friendlies if Euro qualification and promotion/relegation is still at stake. Even if it just came down to money surely that makes the games more competitive than just friendlies.

In my opinion they need to start playing to be able to test out how safe the environment can be made and what logistical hurdles need to be overcome - in much the same way as the general lockdown will be monitored and measured. That idea of it not being safe but also not being unsafe. If they are going to start playing then why not do it in a way that resolves a lot of the issues regarding league positions? It's very far from perfect but all scenarios will be.

The noises coming out of these meetings seem to be that all clubs want to play the season to a finish but obviously have their concerns. The voices within football calling for a void season seem to be few and far between. I started off thinking that void was the only option but have been changing my tune based on things I've read about the whole ecosystem in the past few weeks.
 

UncleBuck

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I just still can't believe there was no emergency plan or policy in place across the Premier League and FA for a situation when a season cannot be finished, or is in danger of not being able to be finished. It just beggars belief
It doesn’t really, in what circumstances would you see the abandonment of a season 3/4 of the way through, the last time was the outbreak of WWII.
I think if the broadcasters held an insurance policy in the first instance to cover themselves just in case a season couldn’t be completed in its full entirety then the season would have been abandoned by now.
 

Trotter

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It doesn’t really, in what circumstances would you see the abandonment of a season 3/4 of the way through, the last time was the outbreak of WWII.
I think if the broadcasters held an insurance policy in the first instance to cover themselves just in case a season couldn’t be completed in its full entirety then the season would have been abandoned by now.

Or rather if the clubs did (they are the providers of the service after all, not the broadcasters)
Some sporting events (Wimbledon, and The Open Golf) paid for pandemic insurance, and are covered, so for them to cancel a while ago was a no-brainer, but the Premier League clubs didn't
 
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thekneaf

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It doesn’t really, in what circumstances would you see the abandonment of a season 3/4 of the way through, the last time was the outbreak of WWII.
I think if the broadcasters held an insurance policy in the first instance to cover themselves just in case a season couldn’t be completed in its full entirety then the season would have been abandoned by now.
It's not that exceptional, and companies take out insurance for things much less likely than a global pandemic. I can understand not planning for it , but then I'm not employed in this kind of risk management.

Even the government knew that a global pandemic was statistically likely.

Last century we had 2 world wars and the Spanish flu. By those measures you should plan for 2 uncompleted seasons a century. And definitely at least one even if you can't predict what the actual event would be.
 

thecook

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It doesn’t really, in what circumstances would you see the abandonment of a season 3/4 of the way through, the last time was the outbreak of WWII.
I think if the broadcasters held an insurance policy in the first instance to cover themselves just in case a season couldn’t be completed in its full entirety then the season would have been abandoned by now.

The cause doesn't matter, but I'll bet there will be something drawn up for the future though
 

dudu

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I guess we just disagree, which is fine.

I don't think that the remaining PL games are just friendlies if Euro qualification and promotion/relegation is still at stake. Even if it just came down to money surely that makes the games more competitive than just friendlies.

In my opinion they need to start playing to be able to test out how safe the environment can be made and what logistical hurdles need to be overcome - in much the same way as the general lockdown will be monitored and measured. That idea of it not being safe but also not being unsafe. If they are going to start playing then why not do it in a way that resolves a lot of the issues regarding league positions? It's very far from perfect but all scenarios will be.

The noises coming out of these meetings seem to be that all clubs want to play the season to a finish but obviously have their concerns. The voices within football calling for a void season seem to be few and far between. I started off thinking that void was the only option but have been changing my tune based on things I've read about the whole ecosystem in the past few weeks.

Absolutely mate!

I understand your point, I just don't see how you can have a serious competition whilst testing out how safe the environment is.
 
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UncleBuck

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Or rather if the clubs did (they are the providers of the service after all, not the broadcasters)
Some sporting events (Wimbledon, and The Open Golf) paid for pandemic insurance, and are covered, so for them to cancel a while ago was a no-brainer, but the Premier League clubs didn't
Good job you’re on the ball, it’s been a long day!
 

Metalhead

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What about a royal rumble style tournament with a player representing each club and the order of being eliminated dictates the order of the final table?
 

dontcallme

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What about a royal rumble style tournament with a player representing each club and the order of being eliminated dictates the order of the final table?
Only if they go 1980s WWF and the representative is a one-dimensional, usually racist, stereotype. Hugo The Mime Lloris or Serge the Cannibal can represent us.
 

BringBack_leGin

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Only if they go 1980s WWF and the representative is a one-dimensional, usually racist, stereotype. Hugo The Mime Lloris or Serge the Cannibal can represent us.
Sure for us the only option would be...
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