Premier League looking to push major VAR change for offside calls

[mawspurs]

The Premier League are pushing for FIFA to allow a ‘margin of error’ on tight offside calls after a fresh number of controversies this season.

Source: Football London

 

[Trix]

Anything on the ridiculous off side rule?

 

[Phantom]

Soon as it affected Liverpool eh?

 

[Jenko]

Lead by example dickheads. And get rid of that stupid handball while your at it. They have not earned the right to preach about what rules are fair.

 

[PCozzie]

Looking forward to the analysis over whether the line has been drawn at 9.9cm or 10.1cm and how there should be a margin of error at the edges of the 10cm margin of error, because too much hinges on the accuracy.

 

[JCRD]

Its still fucking stupid. The problem isnt how much or how little someone is off or onside - its the fuckin use of the lines... having this margin of error youre still using lines... those damn stupid lines.... so he was only 1cm beyond the 10cm margin of error? his armpit hair is offside by 1cm?

Stupid.

I genuinely dont think they get it - how can they be so incompetent that the solution is staring them in the face but theyre obsessed by these stupid lines.

 

[Locotoro]

The offside should be left as is. You're either offside or not. If they introduce a margin of error then we'll be arguing over whether the margin of error is being applied properly.

Fix the handball rule would be better

 

[slartibartfast]

The offside should be left as is. You're either offside or not. If they introduce a margin of error then we'll be arguing over whether the margin of error is being applied properly.

Fix the handball rule would be better

This is the thing. There has to be a line by definition. They could however change what qualifies as offside ie an armpit doesnt count or the whole foot has to be in front.
Whatever they decide to do its still gonna be 'ooh thats tight, harsh, minimal, etc etc.

 

[hutchiniho]

All of the attacker past all of the defender = offside.
Anything in line/ overlapping with the defender = onside.

just like a goal. All of the ball over all of the line.

this would make it way clearer for linos too. Rather than having to spot a sliver of player ahead.


Handball needs fixing too but I do think that’s harder to write up as a black and white rule.
Back to ‘deliberate’? arms out past 45•?

 

[whitesocks]

If the striker is too far ahead that the defender can't rugby tackle him to the ground....
then he is off side. simple.

 

[chrissivad]

The margin of error is for the frame rate of the video isn't it?

I have no issue with the line and tight calls. But happy to see the lines increased to the include the margin of error. If the lines of the defender and attacker touch, then onside.

 

[Johnny J]

Lmao it doesn't matter what the margin of error is, because people will still be arguing about whether it falls within that margin. You can have a single line or you can have two lines but they're still lines.

The REAL problem is that the offside rule was never designed to have technology like VAR applied to it. It just doesn't stand up under that level of scrutiny.

Also, it is impossible for players to know whether they're a few inches offside. Literally impossible. Again, the way the offside rule is played by players cannot coexist with VAR checking for millimetre offsides.

Until the fundamental rule is changed or the application of the tech is changed, this won't be solved.

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

The offside should be left as is. You're either offside or not. If they introduce a margin of error then we'll be arguing over whether the margin of error is being applied properly.

Fix the handball rule would be better

well you are if they can accurately draw the lines and if they can pause the frame at the exact moment the ball leaves the foot. But there is clearly human error in those so it’s not exactly as black and white as you are saying.

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

The technology is not perfect. Camera angles etc will lead to margins of error. A simple rule stating if the var panel cannot decide if a goal is offside within 10 seconds then the benefit of doubt goes to the attacker. Simples.

 

[Shadydan]

Lmao it doesn't matter what the margin of error is, because people will still be arguing about whether it falls within that margin. You can have a single line or you can have two lines but they're still lines.

The REAL problem is that the offside rule was never designed to have technology like VAR applied to it. It just doesn't stand up under that level of scrutiny.

Also, it is impossible for players to know whether they're a few inches offside. Literally impossible. Again, the way the offside rule is played by players cannot coexist with VAR checking for millimetre offsides.

Until the fundamental rule is changed or the application of the tech is changed, this won't be solved.

Offsides on VAR should be used to correct the decisions like the Chelsea goal against Cardiff a couple of seasons ago where it was a clear and obvious mistake not the ones where player's toenails are playing them offside.

 

[Japhet]

I wish they'd use it to retrospectively punish players for diving and cheating. IMO it's a much bigger problem than a player's nasal hair being offside.

 

[Locotoro]

well you are if they can accurately draw the lines and if they can pause the frame at the exact moment the ball leaves the foot. But there is clearly human error in those so it’s not exactly as black and white as you are saying.

It's very odd that they use VAR and hail it as some great solution to the problem but they don't use the GPS trackers that every player has on his vest.

Checking the alignment of GPS trackers for offside purposes would be such as simple thing and would remove the need for this silly lines that are drawn

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Just don't apply VAR to offside decisions at all. It's too tedious, slows down the play too much and worst of all, is too inaccurate. What the refs see is what goes.

 

[hunterr]

Hate to agree with Wenger but he approach is right imo, others have suggested the same.

Give advantage to the attacker = more goals.

The whole of the attacker (excluding arms) must me pass the defender to be offside. Like the whole of the ball over the line.

The powers that be have to remember why offset was brought in the first place, to primarily stop goal hanging by attackers.

The above offside method still prevents goal hanging allowing slightly more goals at the same time . This would to be good for the game and would be positive outcome for VAR.

 

[absolute bobbins]

Here's a crazy idea, it should just use the naked eye. No lines or flicking through frames, if the VAR can't see it without using MS paint then it's not offside