Premier League 2019–?

[thecook]

Shocking from Rudiger lol

What happened, was he distracted by a shout from the crowd?

 

[C0YS]

also he’s awful - chelsea fans would be over the moon to see him sold to us

He isn't awful, but more importantly. Different teams need different players. Jorginho offers something we don't have and we need. He would be a better option than Højbjerg. A lot of the criticism he gets is also more to do with the fact he is a symbol of that Sarri team and their perceived failings.

 

[rossdapep]

They attack quickly. They dont wait for 50 passes in their own half so the opposition have 11 men behind the ball like we do.
Agree they make it count but counter attacking quickly makes it that much more likely that you'll score.

Well this is what Jose's peak teams typically do. Seen as we have better attackers and can obtain better attackers than Sheffiled United, there's no reason why we shouldn't be doing it.

Let's hope it's something that Jose can get back with us.

I do think we have too many players who like to have a 'feel' of the ball before releasing. Lamela likes to roll his foot and body over the ball, Son likes to cut in and work an angle, Lucas needs two touches to get in control and Kane has always like to get his body in front of a defender. Alli does like to flick it but that causes a problem if know one reads what he's trying to do and Bergwijn we need to see more of but he seems to like to get touches in.

Eriksen helped in this regard as he often played first time passes and got into good spaces that opened things up elsewhere.

We desperately need to find a couple of midfielders and an attacker who like to shift the ball quickly.

At Chelsea he had Matic, Fabregas, Oscar, Willian and Hazard - all players who can shift the ball quickly - one way or another. But they also have a lot of footballing intelligence.

I'd say Ndombele, Lo Celso, Kane and Alli can move the ball quickly but we are a bit lacking in football intelligence.

A real intelligent DM who can read the game, intercept and play a first time pass into the 8 or 10 is going to be a game changer for us. The next step will be getting the others to make better runs and give them the confidence to play a little faster.

I think if our defence remains solid before the summer, Jose needs to spend more time on this attacking aspect.

 

[C0YS]

Well this is what Jose's peak teams typically do. Seen as we have better attackers and can obtain better attackers than Sheffiled United, there's no reason why we shouldn't be doing it.

Let's hope it's something that Jose can get back with us.

I do think we have too many players who like to have a 'feel' of the ball before releasing. Lamela likes to roll his foot and body over the ball, Son likes to cut in and work an angle, Lucas needs two touches to get in control and Kane has always like to get his body in front of a defender. Alli does like to flick it but that causes a problem if know one reads what he's trying to do and Bergwijn we need to see more of but he seems to like to get touches in.

Eriksen helped in this regard as he often played first time passes and got into good spaces that opened things up elsewhere.

We desperately need to find a couple of midfielders and an attacker who like to shift the ball quickly.

At Chelsea he had Matic, Fabregas, Oscar, Willian and Hazard - all players who can shift the ball quickly - one way or another. But they also have a lot of footballing intelligence.

I'd say Ndombele, Lo Celso, Kane and Alli can move the ball quickly but we are a bit lacking in football intelligence.

A real intelligent DM who can read the game, intercept and play a first time pass into the 8 or 10 is going to be a game changer for us. The next step will be getting the others to make better runs and give them the confidence to play a little faster.

I think if our defence remains solid before the summer, Jose needs to spend more time on this attacking aspect.

Yeh, or the players need to learn to release the ball quickly. They are used to playing with a player like Eriksen, so that might be part of the problem, but there is no reason why they can't learn to play the ball quicker.

Sheffield utd are familiar and comfortable with how they play, that is something that takes time. I think Dele is a big miss as well, because even out of form he does tend to take a few less touches than the others. But this is something that can easily be coached. Get them playing attack vs defense and limit them to two touches each, they'll get the gist eventually. Fans have a tendency to see players as static and unchanging. But a good players should be able to work on this.

We also need to be a bit better at playing it from the back, I get the safety first approach but a lot of potential counters go to waste as our players just lump it clear, when they have the time and space to pick out a better pass. This is concerning but there is so much we can improve on without needing to just change the players. As jose said, one thing is needing to attack better another thing is to say our attacking players aren't good enough. It isn't as simple as that.

 

[ajspurs]

To be honest it's crazy how much Sterling has improved his shooting. Used to remind me of Lennon with his striking of the ball, like as if he couldn't often connect greatly or strike the ball from outside of the box but he can be deadly sometimes now.

 

[Syn_13]

Well this is what Jose's peak teams typically do. Seen as we have better attackers and can obtain better attackers than Sheffiled United, there's no reason why we shouldn't be doing it.

Let's hope it's something that Jose can get back with us.

I do think we have too many players who like to have a 'feel' of the ball before releasing. Lamela likes to roll his foot and body over the ball, Son likes to cut in and work an angle, Lucas needs two touches to get in control and Kane has always like to get his body in front of a defender. Alli does like to flick it but that causes a problem if know one reads what he's trying to do and Bergwijn we need to see more of but he seems to like to get touches in.

Eriksen helped in this regard as he often played first time passes and got into good spaces that opened things up elsewhere.

We desperately need to find a couple of midfielders and an attacker who like to shift the ball quickly.

At Chelsea he had Matic, Fabregas, Oscar, Willian and Hazard - all players who can shift the ball quickly - one way or another. But they also have a lot of footballing intelligence.

I'd say Ndombele, Lo Celso, Kane and Alli can move the ball quickly but we are a bit lacking in football intelligence.

A real intelligent DM who can read the game, intercept and play a first time pass into the 8 or 10 is going to be a game changer for us. The next step will be getting the others to make better runs and give them the confidence to play a little faster.

I think if our defence remains solid before the summer, Jose needs to spend more time on this attacking aspect.

Pass and move. Most effective way to play to keep your opponents chasing shadows. All the best teams can do it and that's the best way to play in my opinion.

We've definitely got too many players who are either too stationary or seem to want to take a million touches. It really pisses me off watching Lamela, Moura, Alli, Son just hogging the ball like that. They're all good players when they want to be. This is down to the coach to get the habit out of them.

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

He isn't awful, but more importantly. Different teams need different players. Jorginho offers something we don't have and we need. He would be a better option than Højbjerg. A lot of the criticism he gets is also more to do with the fact he is a symbol of that Sarri team and their perceived failings.

I’m sorry but he is utterly ill-equipped to play in this league. When Chelsea surely sell him this summer he’ll be going right back to Serie A where he’ll thrive.

 

[C0YS]

Pass and move. Most effective way to play to keep your opponents chasing shadows. All the best teams can do it and that's the best way to play in my opinion.

We've definitely got too many players who are either too stationary or seem to want to take a million touches. It really pisses me off watching Lamela, Moura, Alli, Son just hogging the ball like that. They're all good players when they want to be. This is down to the coach to get the habit out of them.

Yeh everyone is trying to be Roy of the Rovers, and I get it. They are seeing a lot less of the ball then they are used to, and they will under Jose, that's just the case when you get a manager like him in. But seeing the ball less, doesn't mean you need to do something incredible with it. Move it on quickly, keep making runs and space will open up. Recently, in the end it comes to Aurier who then tries to cross it in to a congested box. That's too easy. Quick interchanges is what is needed. This is where N'dombele can excel, and against Bournemouth he did at least put an effort in, though he was a bit too clumsy in possession when not attacking. But if we get him working that would be a massive plus.

 

[rossdapep]

Yeh, or the players need to learn to release the ball quickly. They are used to playing with a player like Eriksen, so that might be part of the problem, but there is no reason why they can't learn to play the ball quicker.

Sheffield utd are familiar and comfortable with how they play, that is something that takes time. I think Dele is a big miss as well, because even out of form he does tend to take a few less touches than the others. But this is something that can easily be coached. Get them playing attack vs defense and limit them to two touches each, they'll get the gist eventually. Fans have a tendency to see players as static and unchanging. But a good players should be able to work on this.

We also need to be a bit better at playing it from the back, I get the safety first approach but a lot of potential counters go to waste as our players just lump it clear, when they have the time and space to pick out a better pass. This is concerning but there is so much we can improve on without needing to just change the players. As jose said, one thing is needing to attack better another thing is to say our attacking players aren't good enough. It isn't as simple as that.

I agree. Plenty of training exercises will help them get up to speed although I think Lucas is a list cause cause he just runs across the player in possession which loses time. Also Kane needs to adapt. Either he needs to drop more or he needs to bend his runs.

I imagine that we'll see more playing from the back when we get a DM. It's clear to me Jose does not trust this midfield to either keep the ball or be able to retrieve it, which is why we are staying very deep. Whilst it's true he likes his team to be a bit deeper than say City or Liverpool, he doesnt want them to be so deep that we can't even form a counter like we did against Bournemouth.

I mean listen to the man, he's saying hes not happy with our attack yet people still believe it's how he wants us to play. He wants us to be compact but break with quick incisive passing. The hoof ball claim is just that, Jose has never been about hoofing it, that's Sam Allardyce territory, it happens by design because the players in midfield are not showing enough.

I've watched enough Jose teams over the years, and whilst they can be difficult to watch in the bigger games, I do think when it clicks it's very easy on the eye and the team has an air of invincility about it as it just bulldozes it's way through teams.

Granted, we need to see if he is able to still get that from his team but I do think it's very harsh when people call him George Graham mk2.

 

[Shadydan]

He isn't awful, but more importantly. Different teams need different players. Jorginho offers something we don't have and we need. He would be a better option than Højbjerg. A lot of the criticism he gets is also more to do with the fact he is a symbol of that Sarri team and their perceived failings.

Only if we're playing possession based football, he would be our play maker but we're not - we're looking for someone to stop attacks and distribute which Hojbjerg does.

 

[Syn_13]

Yeh everyone is trying to be Roy of the Rovers, and I get it. They are seeing a lot less of the ball then they are used to, and they will under Jose, that's just the case when you get a manager like him in. But seeing the ball less, doesn't mean you need to do something incredible with it. Move it on quickly, keep making runs and space will open up. Recently, in the end it comes to Aurier who then tries to cross it in to a congested box. That's too easy. Quick interchanges is what is needed. This is where N'dombele can excel, and against Bournemouth he did at least put an effort in, though he was a bit too clumsy in possession when not attacking. But if we get him working that would be a massive plus.

A lot of it is down to frustration I reckon. Players are playing in a frustrated way and trying to desperately make something happen. When you play without stress you play free flowing football. You get into a rhythm and don't need to take all those touches. As I said, the coach needs to do that, he has to improve their mentality and morale.

 

[rossdapep]

I’m sorry but he is utterly ill-equipped to play in this league. When Chelsea surely sell him this summer he’ll be going right back to Serie A where he’ll thrive.

Yeah, he's not a player I would have. He doesn't get the time in the PL and he's less effective.

 

[rossdapep]

Pass and move. Most effective way to play to keep your opponents chasing shadows. All the best teams can do it and that's the best way to play in my opinion.

We've definitely got too many players who are either too stationary or seem to want to take a million touches. It really pisses me off watching Lamela, Moura, Alli, Son just hogging the ball like that. They're all good players when they want to be. This is down to the coach to get the habit out of them.

Agreed. It's why I think we need to move two of them on (Lucas/Lamela) and bring in an attacker who is better at those aspects.

I reckon a front four of
Lo Celso
Bergwijn/Son Coutinho (type)
Kane

gets us so much more.

 

[C0YS]

I’m sorry but he is utterly ill-equipped to play in this league. When Chelsea surely sell him this summer he’ll be going right back to Serie A where he’ll thrive.

Mate, he isn't anything incredible, but he is better than hojbjerg, even their defensive stats aren't that different, and Jorginho is up there with the top players in ball retention, touches on the ball and not being dispossessed, and he is 4th for tackles a game for a midfielder in a top 6 team (Fabinho, Henderson and Fred are ahead of him), 3rd in the league for interceptions (1st for a traditional top 6 team).

Statistically he does well in both ball retention (4th lowest for unsuccessful touches), passes a game (3rd in the league) and has solid defensive stats.

Again, Sarri's reliance on him, and his perceived failures and replacing Kante as the holding player have created some over the top criticism of him. He isn't the best option in the world, but would undoubtedly improve our team, and would do a much much better job than Hojbjerg.

 

[C0YS]

Just to put the Jorginho thing out there. Look in Chelsea forums, he isn't universally liked, but they seem to rate him much higher than most on here do.

Jorginho is.... (well now was) a Blue

www.theshedend.com

 

[mpickard2087]

That's about 4 times now where City have constructed an attack from an effing throw in - dummy runs in and out, then the receiver springs into life, a sharp throw into him, perfectly cushioned lay off into the runners in exquisitely coordinated support, and off at the back four/goal they go.

And we cant even construct an attack from open play. Woe is us.....

 

[Yid-ol]

That's about 4 times now where City have constructed an attack from an effing throw in - dummy runs in and out, then the receiver springs into life, a sharp throw into him, perfectly cushioned lay off into the runners in exquisitely coordinated support, and off at the back four/goal they go.

And we cant even construct an attack from open play. Woe is us.....

We do do dumb runs, not dummy runs....that's our issue! Lack of movement or it's not productive when we do try.

 

[Marty]

I'm so bored of these games where a mid- to lower table team turns out in a match against City and loses 4-0 or more without City breaking sweat.

It's just not fun to watch.

 

[ItsBoris]

I'm so bored of these games where a mid- to lower table team turns out in a match against City and loses 4-0 or more without City breaking sweat.

It's just not fun to watch.

I hope you stopped watching or you'll be infuriated at their 5th goal.

Some teams just have all the luck...

 

[Timberwolf]

I'm so bored of these games where a mid- to lower table team turns out in a match against City and loses 4-0 or more without City breaking sweat.

It's just not fun to watch.

It's going to be the same until Pep leaves. Even though they're 20 points behind Liverpool, they still have a higher goal difference and steamroller about half of the teams they face.