Post Europa Cup Big Ange Poll

[XIIIMPC]

Stay - not because he won the Europa, but because having listened to him explain the way he won it, and the knock on the the league, makes sense!

I think you have a point here particularly. I believe he probably did go somewhat against the higher-ups to significantly prioritise the Europa and his gamble paid off. And frankly it's about time we did that. I'm not sure this heavy league prioritisation is a Levy/whoever edict but it has sure seemed that way.

We could, and maybe should, have won - or done much better in - the Europa on multiple occasions in the last 20ish years. We had the team for it, a team that matched anyone in the competition. The one that infuriates me most is Redknapp functionally throwing the tie against Shakhtar in 2009, but there were many other times. Our piss-weak effort in the Conference League I even found absurd. That was our tournament for the taking and we functionally chose not to even try (no, the Rennes forfeit isn't an excuse because it shouldn't have mattered). Fucking win stuff. There is no tournament (that we would realistically be in) that we are too big to win, too big to bother with. And that's been the attitude from more than a few managers down the years, even including Pochettino, who played down the importance of winning the FA Cup in a press conference before an FA Cup tie. And in hindsight, Poch, was that pathetic elimination to Gent in 2016 worth finishing 3rd? Did we materially gain anything from that defeat? Hard to say.

I'm not necessarily saying Ange In, I'm on the fence, but on this I'm aligned with him. It was a huge gamble and it paid off for the club, but maybe it won't for him individually.

 

[RJR1949]

Revamp the coaches and lets give it till Christmas

He has 5 (FIVE) assistant coaches not counting the goal keeping coach!

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Heart says keep.

Head very much says don’t.

Difficulty is also the Poch factor…for summer 2026

 

[brisbanespur]

I think he has earned the right to go again, but I am very concerned that losing is a habit like winning can be one as well. All though Poch’s results were never as bad as what we have witnessed this season, it’s a similar scenario. Worsen results leading to a European final, next season following a similar level of performance in the league, hello new manager sometime in Oct

 

[chilespurs]

I think you have a point here particularly. I believe he probably did go somewhat against the higher-ups to significantly prioritise the Europa and his gamble paid off. And frankly it's about time we did that. I'm not sure this heavy league prioritisation is a Levy/whoever edict but it has sure seemed that way.

We could, and maybe should, have won - or done much better in - the Europa on multiple occasions in the last 20ish years. We had the team for it, a team that matched anyone in the competition. The one that infuriates me most is Redknapp functionally throwing the tie against Shakhtar in 2009, but there were many other times. Our piss-weak effort in the Conference League I even found absurd. That was our tournament for the taking and we functionally chose not to even try (no, the Rennes forfeit isn't an excuse because it shouldn't have mattered). Fucking win stuff. There is no tournament (that we would realistically be in) that we are too big to win, too big to bother with. And that's been the attitude from more than a few managers down the years, even including Pochettino, who played down the importance of winning the FA Cup in a press conference before an FA Cup tie. And in hindsight, Poch, was that pathetic elimination to Gent in 2016 worth finishing 3rd? Did we materially gain anything from that defeat? Hard to say.

I'm not necessarily saying Ange In, I'm on the fence, but on this I'm aligned with him. It was a huge gamble and it paid off for the club, but maybe it won't for him individually.

The difference this time, is that wining it has given us champions league, so maybe Levy not only accepted Ange's position but in fact encouraged it.

 

[Armstrong_11]

Frankly.... I think it's time for a change. I think it's a good way to end, a really good memory.

He and the whole teams are legends.

 

[Timbo Tottenham]

I was late to the Ange Out party as it took me a while to be convinced, winning on Wednesday, as glorious as it was, didn’t change my mind back.

I went to the game yesterday and the atmosphere in and around the ground was immense, until we played football. I was on such a high for days until I left the ground yesterday and felt totally deflated.

 

[XIIIMPC]

The difference this time, is that wining it has given us champions league, so maybe Levy not only accepted Ange's position but in fact encouraged it.

Yeah, that's very possible. If he did then it's more likely he'll stay.

 

[allatsea]

Fickle fans are Spurs fans. The man won us a trophy and european football for next year.
already he needs to go???????????

Hopefully if we remain under his guidance we will avoid relegation again by the skin of our teeth.

 

[freeeki]

I don't get where this "he went against the board to prioritise the Europa League" narrative has come from.

Can someone point me to some examples of games this season where he didn't play the strongest XI available to him, aside from perhaps just before the semi final?

I can't think of any.

Which means he must have put his strongest XI out in the league, but told the lads to go out and lose.

It's just more of the same nonsense from a small, shrill crowd who have an excuse for absolutely everything.

 

[muppetman]

I don't get where this "he went against the board to prioritise the Europa League" narrative has come from.

Can someone point me to some examples of games this season where he didn't play the strongest XI available to him, aside from perhaps just before the semi final?

I can't think of any.

Which means he must have put his strongest XI out in the league, but told the lads to go out and lose.

It's just more of the same nonsense from a small, shrill crowd who have an excuse for absolutely everything.

Small, shrill crowd?

Or it could just be people that disagree with you!

 

[freeeki]

Small, shrill crowd?

Or it could just be people that disagree with you!

No.

I think most people are able to look at things with a bit of nuance, and come to a conclusion on balance.

Then there are others - a small, shrill crowd - who have found excuses for every defeat and every woeful performance this season. And there have been a lot of them.

 

[muppetman]

No.

I think most people are able to look at things with a bit of nuance, and come to a conclusion on balance.

Then there are others - a small, shrill crowd - who have found excuses for every defeat and every woeful performance this season. And there have been a lot of them.

That generally not what I've seen.

 

[freeeki]

That generally not what I've seen.

Imagine my surprise.

 

[RJR1949]

No head coach should be fired until Levy has gone? They all have complete immunity?

…. and quite what do you think could cause Levy to go?

He’s the second largest shareholder and has the complete confidence of the largest shareholder. At some point he’ll want to realise the value of his investment but that’s not going to happen any time soon.

 

[Reprobate]

I don't get where this "he went against the board to prioritise the Europa League" narrative has come from.

Can someone point me to some examples of games this season where he didn't play the strongest XI available to him, aside from perhaps just before the semi final?

I can't think of any.

Which means he must have put his strongest XI out in the league, but told the lads to go out and lose.

It's just more of the same nonsense from a small, shrill crowd who have an excuse for absolutely everything.

That's been on my mind too. Happy to accept there is some truth in deprioritising the league games more recently. But the post-final narrative now seems to be we threw the league months ago. Not sure I believe that.

I decided not to judge yesterday's game since the team had been on a bender. But it was still hard not to come away from the game feeling that performance is just the same as what we've seen for half a season or more.

 

[RJR1949]

I was late to the Ange Out party as it took me a while to be convinced, winning on Wednesday, as glorious as it was, didn’t change my mind back.

I went to the game yesterday and the atmosphere in and around the ground was immense, until we played football. I was on such a high for days until I left the ground yesterday and felt totally deflated.

Quite right.

It’s hard to be Ange in when you have suffered through so many games as yesterday. We were completely outplayed and out worked by Brighton, even though, man for man, we have a stronger squad.

 

[Gareth88]

I have been flip flopping the last few days but I can't see him remaining in charge but fear this will leave alot of our players sour over him being replaced.

 

[Hoopspur]

No.

I think most people are able to look at things with a bit of nuance, and come to a conclusion on balance.

Then there are others - a small, shrill crowd - who have found excuses for every defeat and every woeful performance this season. And there have been a lot of them.

That’s a large, small shrill crowd then?

 

[Reprobate]

Every time I think about this though actually, I come back to sacking Ange now would be a message to future managers that winning cups isn't good enough, you have to aim for top 4.

I hate the idea of going back to 4th place being our aspirations. I want this club to consider winning trophies the most important thing.