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St José Dominguez

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I see Poch and Dele very similarly. Poch's subs, weird team selections and reactions in game are like Dele's first touch and decision making. I love both of them, think both of them have so much potential but I think right now Dele is a very good player and Poch is a very good manager but neither are great yet and won't be until they sort those deficiencies (and win something too).
 

Colonel_Klinck

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He went from genius to clown again in 1 game. Really scratching my head at his tactics again... Smh. He set us up for failure from the moment he picked the team and formation today. The players from Weds would have been on a high, pick the same team and go attack Swansea... Why oh why would you want to blunt out attack by putting Son at lwb for an hour? Wasted precious time and chances to get a goal.

Terrible decision making today Poch. Utterly terrible.

You know Son spent about 10% of his time playing as a wing back right? Christ they hardly got into our half. 10, sometimes 11 men behind the ball. Sissoko was my only gripe today. He doesn't have a creative bone in his body and shouldn't be played with a DM. Yes it is frustrating we didn't win but in the end that came down to bad luck and poor finishing.
 

markiespurs

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You know Son spent about 10% of his time playing as a wing back right? Christ they hardly got into our half. 10, sometimes 11 men behind the ball. Sissoko was my only gripe today. He doesn't have a creative bone in his body and shouldn't be played with a DM. Yes it is frustrating we didn't win but in the end that came down to bad luck and poor finishing.

Agree to an extent about bad luck and poor finishing costing us the win today.

But I don't think Poch helped things by picking 3 CBs and 2 DMF.
 

stevel

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Presumably when we signed Llorente we knew his major strength is converting crosses into goals and that is part of why we bought him, to provide another option for scoring against teams defending in numbers. When he came on the player most likely to whip a right foot cross onto his head was playing left back and the player most likely to whip a left cross onto his head was on the bench. Why didn't Poch bring on Davies instead of Aurier and switch Trippier back to the right? Aurier looks like a great player for us, but his crossing was very ordinary. Did any beat the first defender?

I do wonder whether Poch disproportionately favours certain players and fits them into the team regardless - especially ones he's been involved in purchasing.
 

stevel

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Why didn't Poch bring on Davies instead of Aurier and switch Trippier back to the right?
I've just seen that Poch has said Davies had a big knock vs Dortmund. Why was he on the bench then if he wasn't fit to play? Why not KWP who has played LB for England and presumably can cross with his left foot?
 

Everlasting Seconds

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It's like having hired a shortbread baker. Now, he makes the most perfect shortbread. Smells good, looks good, soaks up the perfect amount of tea in the morning without falling apart. Never has a shortbread been made better out of more perfect ingredients.

Yet, you kind of like your shortbread with caramel icing. But this shortbread genius can't for the life of him make a caramel icing. Sometimes he gets it right, sometimes it's bland, boring, stale or even too adventurous.

Is it still ok to expect more from the icing, even if the actual shortbread is unparalleled? Do you not remember the horrible shortbreads of the 90s, son? For god's sake it could have been AVB making your shortbread!

It seems like most Spurs fans these days wouldn't dare to accept even a murmur about how something could be better with the icing, because the shortbread won the 2nd place trophy last year. Well I say that's defeatist in a roundabout way.

If Pochettino was perfect, divine, without any room for improvement, I would claim that we would have won a major trophy by now. And we most certainly wouldn't have only 1 win in PL this season.

But Pochettino isn't perfect. He isn't a wizard. He makes one heck of a shortbread, but he got to get the icing right. It's still something he will earn and improve on, I'm sure.

And it's ok to say that, without being handed a moralist sermon about how great we did last season, and how bad things could have been.
 

Wheeler Dealer

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Presumably when we signed Llorente we knew his major strength is converting crosses into goals and that is part of why we bought him, to provide another option for scoring against teams defending in numbers. When he came on the player most likely to whip a right foot cross onto his head was playing left back and the player most likely to whip a left cross onto his head was on the bench. Why didn't Poch bring on Davies instead of Aurier and switch Trippier back to the right? Aurier looks like a great player for us, but his crossing was very ordinary. Did any beat the first defender?

I do wonder whether Poch disproportionately favours certain players and fits them into the team regardless - especially ones he's been involved in purchasing.
When you have a team that can't get in behind a defence and a very right footed left full back it is going to be difficult whipping in crosses for Llorente. With Davies and Rose being our better option to deliver crosses and these two now being injured, we are now limited with options to bring in from squad.
 

Hercules

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I personally believe it is not so much limited with options. I more believe that is the mindset of Poch. Great example; KWP voted MOTM against Newcastle, and dropped unfairly, and never featured since. We loan out Onomah who even with his critics is far superior to Sissoko.

Aurier is dropped (rested) after his first game for us, and impressive one. He should of started yesterday. He got it wrong and paid for it. And he was fully backed in the transfer market, so no excuses. Fair enough, we never got that creative midfielder, as we are holding out for RB.
 

Everlasting Seconds

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I personally believe it is not so much limited with options. I more believe that is the mindset of Poch. Great example; KWP voted MOTM against Newcastle, and dropped unfairly, and never featured since. We loan out Onomah who even with his critics is far superior to Sissoko.

Aurier is dropped (rested) after his first game for us, and impressive one. He should of started yesterday. He got it wrong and paid for it. And he was fully backed in the transfer market, so no excuses. Fair enough, we never got that creative midfielder, as we are holding out for RB.
Spot on, I think.
Pochettino is so good for the club,
but we must be allowed to see him for what he is, not a divine miracle man but a mortal one
with flaws and room for improvements.
 

Michael Mossey

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For me, Dembele has to play and Sissoko simply cannot - will work hard but absolutely zero creativity.
I can't stand Eric Dier. He has to be our most over rated player.
I can't understand why Poch put Trippier at LB - he just turned inside and played a square pass every time.
Llorente comes on and we don't hit him with a single long ball.
And, barely a single cross beat the first man.
Virtually pedestrian for 90mins.
 

shelfboy68

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I personally believe it is not so much limited with options. I more believe that is the mindset of Poch. Great example; KWP voted MOTM against Newcastle, and dropped unfairly, and never featured since. We loan out Onomah who even with his critics is far superior to Sissoko.

Aurier is dropped (rested) after his first game for us, and impressive one. He should of started yesterday. He got it wrong and paid for it. And he was fully backed in the transfer market, so no excuses. Fair enough, we never got that creative midfielder, as we are holding out for RB.
Agree but will this decision to hold out for RB could this cost us a bit in the short term as we probably won't get him until 31st January anyway, along with lamela still out this will have quite an impact on our creativity.
All teams will no adopt a similar tactic from now on knowing that we can't hurt them, can also see our position tumble back a few places until this is resolved maybe not until next summer could those positions get finally sorted.
 

Univarn

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I personally believe it is not so much limited with options. I more believe that is the mindset of Poch. Great example; KWP voted MOTM against Newcastle, and dropped unfairly, and never featured since. We loan out Onomah who even with his critics is far superior to Sissoko.

Aurier is dropped (rested) after his first game for us, and impressive one. He should of started yesterday. He got it wrong and paid for it. And he was fully backed in the transfer market, so no excuses. Fair enough, we never got that creative midfielder, as we are holding out for RB.
I think this is where my frustration comes in. I can live with the lineup even if I disagree but the bench... 3 of the players in Davies, Dembele, and Winks were some combination or not fully fit, not match sharp, or recovering from an injury and were probably never going to feature or be brought on to close out the game. Foyth is another on the bench who would probably never play so really our bench was Llorente and Aurierx both who featured. It was truly baffling that we didn't have a KWP or TOB or AG or Edwards or any of these highly thought of prospects who could have made a difference. I just really and truly do not get it.
 

kaz Hirai

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Poch Needs to take a long hard look at himself this morning! !!

Nah I kid!

I'm not terribly upset. We were Liverpooled, and thru have all that pace and intensity and still fack these home games up .

It was so difficult, crap teams often are defensive against us but that was seriously negative from Swansea .

It was always a straight line of 5 at the back with 3 defensive midfielders just ahead and one of the two 'forwards' also behind the ball.

And with our huge effort in Wednesday we just lacked the energy to batter them for 90 minutes

Plus we were unlucky, Kane could've easily of scored and we had a clear pen denied
 
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