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Should Poch stay or go?

  • Stay

    Votes: 657 55.3%
  • Go

    Votes: 532 44.7%

  • Total voters
    1,189

PeeLee

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Oct 2, 2019
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I think one of his strengths and faults is that he's happy to take the blame and is very media shy. A lot of other chairman would be writing columns or doing interviews to rebut a lot of the stuff, but he just gets on with it. I think that leads people to assume every rumour is true.
Luckily Daniel Levy does just seem to get on with his job rather than perform for the media. Which is why on the rare occasion he does issue a statement or speak publicly it is of significance. It's bad enough Poch having to do press conferences before every match, and then almost always being available for interviews afterwards, I suspect because of conditions laid down by sponsors, and he being among the very few managers who then get quoted and their comments analysed ad nauseam in the media. The media seem to ignore other managers, say for this weekend's Premier League matches, yet poor old Poch's every comment is picked over. It makes for such lopsided radio reporting and such very uneven written football coverage.
 

1966

Neutral England supporter
Nov 5, 2019
134
391
The amount of credit you want to give Poch for making the players what they are today has to be at least somewhat proportional to the amount of blame you give him for the same players no longer playing at their apparent Poch Levels™. Essentially, if there is a Poch Boost™, it's his responsibility to maintain it even when there are other factors at play.

On another note, I keep reading from various people in different places that they think Kane will want to leave if Poch goes. Is there any solid basis for such a belief? I just can't imagine Kane being happy with the way things are going at the moment and it's been a long moment.

ETA: As a neutral, I don't feel it's my place to vote in the poll so I haven't, but I'm mildly Poch Out. I really want Kane to succeed and I've developed some fondness for Spurs over the last six years so I'd prefer him to succeed at Spurs if possible. I want what's best for Spurs and care about what happens at the club, especially while Kane and other England regulars are there.

I think that time will reveal Poch to be a good manager rather than a great. One could quite easily argue that 2019 has been his first real challenge since the beginning of his debut season, which he ultimately resolved by introducing Kane. There's no Kane waiting in the wings this time though and so now is probably his first real challenge without a safety net. A lot of managers can keep the going good during a virtuous cycle as Poch has done for years now, so what he does next will tell us a lot more about where he really belongs.
 
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Zoltar60

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Sep 26, 2005
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The amount of credit you want to give Poch for making the players what they are today has to be at least somewhat proportional to the amount of blame you give him for the same players no longer playing at their apparent Poch Levels™. Essentially, if there is a Poch Boost™, it's his responsibility to maintain it even when there are other factors at play.

On another note, I keep reading from various people in different places that they think Kane will want to leave if Poch goes. Is there any solid basis for such a belief? I just can't imagine Kane being happy with the way things are going at the moment and it's been a long moment.

ETA: As a neutral, I don't feel it's my place to vote in the poll so I haven't, but I'm mildly Poch Out. I really want Kane to succeed and I've developed some fondness for Spurs over the last six years so I'd prefer him to succeed at Spurs if possible. I want what's best for Spurs and care about what happens at the club, especially while Kane and other England regulars are there.

I think that time will reveal Poch to be a good manager rather than a great. One could quite easily argue that 2019 has been his first real challenge since the beginning of his debut season, which he ultimately resolved by introducing Kane. There's no Kane waiting in the wings this time though and so now is probably his first real challenge without a safety net. A lot of managers can keep the going good during a virtuous cycle as Poch has done for years now, so what he does next will tell us a lot more about where he really belongs.

Not really, if he takes Real job next he'll get to spend ludicrous amounts and win everything most probably. What will that tell us??
 

Shadydan

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Jul 7, 2012
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Not really, if he takes Real job next he'll get to spend ludicrous amounts and win everything most probably. What will that tell us??

It would tell us what we always knew, he's a very good coach.

That doesn't mean he ought to stay at Spurs on that basis, everyone has a shelf life and I feel he's probably reached his.
 

dontcallme

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Mar 18, 2005
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Not really, if he takes Real job next he'll get to spend ludicrous amounts and win everything most probably. What will that tell us??
Well as Real Madrid have won the league title twice in the last 10 years I would say that would suggest he has done a good job.

Why is beating Barcelona not seen as an achievement?
 

danielneeds

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May 5, 2004
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Well as Real Madrid have won the league title twice in the last 10 years I would say that would suggest he has done a good job.

Why is beating Barcelona not seen as an achievement?
It is an achievement, but the difference is that with the budget and players at Real winning the league is the requirement. If you don’t win it or the CL you’re a failure.
 

dontcallme

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Mar 18, 2005
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It is an achievement, but the difference is that with the budget and players at Real winning the league is the requirement. If you don’t win it or the CL you’re a failure.
Absolutely. The post I was responding to was asking what Poch winning everything at Real would prove. It would show he can manage top level players at arguably the highest pressure job in club football.
 

danielneeds

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May 5, 2004
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Absolutely. The post I was responding to was asking what Poch winning everything at Real would prove. It would show he can manage top level players at arguably the highest pressure job in club football.
If he tried to implement a pressing game at Real he’d be in for a big shock, though.
 

1966

Neutral England supporter
Nov 5, 2019
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Not really, if he takes Real job next he'll get to spend ludicrous amounts and win everything most probably. What will that tell us??
I was thinking more about what he does next with Spurs.

But you're right that if he does do something like that, it may not really tell us much. If he does what you say, I'll probably continue thinking that he's a good or very good manager. If he turns things around at Spurs from here, he'd move into the category of great for me.
 

JCRD

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Aug 10, 2018
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Our season starts this weekend now the internationals are over. Then again this will be the third time ive said this this season so i could be wrong.

Im just hoping it will all click and not much better than a win against a team who are also doing poorly. I think if we lose against Spammers then it will be a bit of a problem, atleast where we have lost or drawn these were against teams who werent doing too badly but Spammers are on a bad run.
 

The Opinionated Lurker

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Jun 9, 2019
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I don’t know if this is an actual quote from someone but ‘never let a squad grow old together’. Heard it about the Chelsea side that pushed out AVB and feel like it applies now. Whoever thought it was a good idea to not bring in new faces has caused what we’re seeing now, at least in part
 

danielneeds

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May 5, 2004
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I don’t know if this is an actual quote from someone but ‘never let a squad grow old together’. Heard it about the Chelsea side that pushed out AVB and feel like it applies now. Whoever thought it was a good idea to not bring in new faces has caused what we’re seeing now, at least in part
I think the blame lies equally at Poch and Levy’s door. Both thought what they had was so good they couldn’t easily improve it, and stopped future planning as a consequence.

Obviously Poch saw the signs that players had lost their edge, whether he failed to communicate just how deep the rot was, or whether Levy didn’t listen, that’s impossible for us to know.
 

Shadydan

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Jul 7, 2012
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I think the blame lies equally at Poch and Levy’s door. Both thought what they had was so good they couldn’t easily improve it, and stopped future planning as a consequence.

Obviously Poch saw the signs that players had lost their edge, whether he failed to communicate just how deep the rot was, or whether Levy didn’t listen, that’s impossible for us to know.

Poch definately made him aware, it was after the Leicester 5-4 match he said we need to start doing things differently on order to take the next step.

What I don't understand is why Poch signed a new contract in May without any evidence of backing, either he was promised something he never got or he was aware that he was going to receive little backing and wanted to secure his future financially either way I'm pointing fingers at both of them.
 

spursfan77

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Aug 13, 2005
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I don’t know if this is an actual quote from someone but ‘never let a squad grow old together’. Heard it about the Chelsea side that pushed out AVB and feel like it applies now. Whoever thought it was a good idea to not bring in new faces has caused what we’re seeing now, at least in part

yeah I don't think anyone can argue that the transfer windows of 2018 has contributed to where we are now. We weren't brave enough then. Fuck knows what happened but it wasn't good enough.
 

van_Pommel

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May 10, 2004
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Has there been any ITK on the Poch situation? It's not so easy to find on here outside of a transfer window :unsure:
 

McFlash

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Oct 19, 2005
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Has there been any ITK on the Poch situation? It's not so easy to find on here outside of a transfer window :unsure:
Not much. The only real thing of note (and worth being concerned about) was that an unnamed "irreplaceable" player will want to leave should Poch stay.
And that Levy has been made award of the situation.
 

McFlash

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Oct 19, 2005
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Agreed, and that doesn't sound like something either of them would say.
I think it was also said that, although the player in question has said all the right things to the media, behind closed doors it's different.

Watching Kane of late, and looking at his age and desire to break records, I could quite believe it could be him.
 
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