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LVG won an FA Cup too.The only United manager since Ferguson to win trophies? I'd say that deserves at least as much slack as 'we played good football under Poch a few years back'.
LVG won an FA Cup too.The only United manager since Ferguson to win trophies? I'd say that deserves at least as much slack as 'we played good football under Poch a few years back'.
I think Mourinho's a better manager than Poch, so he gets my vote on that one.It’s a choice between Poch and someone better.
Agreed. But I can't think* of any manager in the world that I'd rather have at the moment than Mourinho, other than Pep Guardiola. I think he's almost perfect for what we need as a club right now.But as I keep saying, it’s not a choice between Poch and Mourinho. They aren’t the only two managers in the world.
I actually do care about the Europa League trophy. I thought at the time that I was pissed at Tottenham for not even being in the final when Mourinho could sleep walk into winning it. It's a fun final to win, there can be some good matches and days out along the way and it puts you into Cl without having to overtake Leicester. I mean what is not to like.Mourinho is a cheque book manager whose time has passed. Yes, he won the big prizes years ago, but football has moved on. Who cares about winning the Europa or the League Cup? Personally, I want to win (or at least challenge for) the league and the CL. We've been down this road before with George Graham -- the last time we hired a manager who was supposedly "a winner." Makes me come out in a cold sweat just thinking about the football he served up. If Poch has to go, replace him with someone progressive, not a boring old has-been.
We've gone so long without a trophy that fans have forgotten what it feels likeMourinho is a cheque book manager whose time has passed. Yes, he won the big prizes years ago, but football has moved on. Who cares about winning the Europa or the League Cup? Personally, I want to win (or at least challenge for) the league and the CL. We've been down this road before with George Graham -- the last time we hired a manager who was supposedly "a winner." Makes me come out in a cold sweat just thinking about the football he served up. If Poch has to go, replace him with someone progressive, not a boring old has-been.
Fair enough, he achieved par with Chelsea also I make it two significant success in a decade as he won the league at Real Madrid in 2011/12. We can twist this as much as we can but 3 clubs since 2011 and he's won the league twice with them in their respective countries, that to me is a winner.
I didn't say he overachieved with Real Madrid did I, your argument was about significant value, not over achievement?
Although going by the logic of wages then he did in fact overachieved as Barca had the biggest wage bill that season regardless:
Barcelona are best paid
Barcelona may be set to lose their titles but they can comfort themselves with the knowledge that they are the best-paid team on the planet.www.eurosport.com
Okay so this is your entirely your arbitrary criteria of players with world class potential I see fair enough so doesn't Di Maria (24) Ozil (23) and Higuain (23) count in that criteria?
By the way why are you so sure we'd sign young players on the verge of World Class especially if Mourinho is in charge, I know this is hypothetical but surely he would want the players he knows he can work with? I mean didn't we try to sign Dybala this summer, that's probably telling you where we are in regards to potential transfers and our ability to attract stars.
I don't understand that, it's not as if we're any close to winning anything at the moment are we?
My stance is purely for selfish reasons, forget morals for a second, the team we have now is still capable of winning a trophy IMO, it wasn't long as that we were in a CL final so they have it in them. I believe we have the experience we just need confidence and the players need a shot in the arm, I think we can allow ourselves to sacrifice 2 years of focusing on the first team as it's not as if we have anyone great coming through the academy anyway.
I'm sure there's people who share your vision and would love to play great football but we're pretty starved of success now.
Who is someone better that we can get?
Hi chaps,I think Mourinho's a better manager than Poch, so he gets my vote on that one.
Agreed. But I can't think* of any manager in the world that I'd rather have at the moment than Mourinho, other than Pep Guardiola. I think he's almost perfect for what we need as a club right now.
*obviously, other opinions are available
brilliant post spot onMourinho is a cheque book manager whose time has passed. Yes, he won the big prizes years ago, but football has moved on. Who cares about winning the Europa or the League Cup? Personally, I want to win (or at least challenge for) the league and the CL. We've been down this road before with George Graham -- the last time we hired a manager who was supposedly "a winner." Makes me come out in a cold sweat just thinking about the football he served up. If Poch has to go, replace him with someone progressive, not a boring old has-been.
BTW, please would you send me your address.I still leave brandy and mince pies out
Paris - my arrondissement is a prime number and I love BMWsBTW, please would you send me your address.
Not that I think that Mourinho will get the job but if he did and won things - he'd win over the Spurs fans. Man U fans are 'spoilt' from years of winning trophies as are Real Madrid fans so I agree, I wouldn't put too much store by their antipathy towards him. Obviously if we failed to win anything, the football was shit and he was moaning to the media then that would be another story entirely.That managers who win trophies don't "always" win over fans. Mourinho didn't even win over United fans despite the trophies, though I guess they are spoilt and have won enough to be picky.
If you think Mourinho or anyone can come here, win a Carabo cup followed by months of shit football and unrest and people will be 'won over' cos he won a trophy, then I respectfully disagree.
Juande Ramos didn't win over the fans because of his trophy.
It's fine to want Jose.
If he will come here to work under the constraints we have, I would take him as I think we would see a different personality because of it but I'm not just going to be won over because of a trophy.
If we would have won the CL, with exactly the same league form last season and this, would you not still want Poch out?
You’re all forgetting a certain David moyes winning the highly coveted community shieldLVG won an FA Cup too.
Agreed with this but we also need to consider how many of those miffed players are already gone. Regardless of who comes in.I personally don’t want him rid. I will back him totally. But as I said earlier; if we only achieve 1 point in our next 2 games, then sorry he goes. Nobody more than me want him to succeed. On a tactical front he is seriously lacking. It is not just Trippier who felt that. Read between the lines of his comments. Quite a few of the present players are miffed at his tactics.
No. Its two things. It’s saying we don’t want to even play in the EL. That’s reasonable and ambitious no?Tottenham fans turning their noses up at the Europa league is like West Ham fans turning their noses up at the League Cup.
No. Its two things. It’s saying we don’t want to even play in the EL. That’s reasonable and ambitious no?
And also It’s saying... we agree about all the downsides to Mourinho...what’s the upside? Oh. Being more competitive in FA cup and EL (if we have to play it). It’s not worth it
We’re going round in circles now.Speak for yourself. Some of us would like to win things.
Did you see Chris Wilder on Goals on Sunday? He talked relentlessly about his teams identities - the identity with the ball and the identity without it. We dont have either at the minute and looking back I’m not sure we have done for some time.
JJ says the club are fully behind Poch.
Great! I really think we just need to ride this bad patch out.