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Should Poch stay or go?

  • Stay

    Votes: 657 55.3%
  • Go

    Votes: 532 44.7%

  • Total voters
    1,189

freeeki

Arsehole.
Aug 5, 2008
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No one is bigger than the club, yet Mourinho could make some give up supporting the club if he is to manage us.

Mourinho has done literally nothing in his career which would cause his appointment here to make the club we’ve all supported since childhood so morally unpalatable that we’d abandon it.

Those claiming otherwise are just attention seeking, sorry.
 

PeeLee

Active Member
Oct 2, 2019
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I presume you mean because we reached the CL final last season we have progressed? Because we haven't progressed in the league. See below.

2015/16 - 70 points
2016/17 - 86 points
2017/18 - 77 points
2018/19 - 71 points
They're the points, but as it's a (Premier) League what were the finishing positions in those seasons?
 

jurgen

Busy ****
Jul 5, 2008
6,710
17,167
86pts was the only very good season league wise. 70 and 71 pts might not make top 4 in some seasons.

Yet we've only made 70+ points 9 times in the 38 year old 3-point system, only 6 times in a 38 game season, 4 of which are Poch. So that's pretty striking when we're talking about 'very good' Spurs seasons.
 

PeeLee

Active Member
Oct 2, 2019
207
218
In the last few days you've said "for me his time is up" , "he's run his course" . Your were fuming with his tactics and now you're saying you "personally don't want rid". You're all over the place on this. Keep changing your position on a daily basis. Almost stream of consciousness, nonsensical, flip floppery.
It's not deficiency in a single poster, though. It just seems to be a place for sounding off.
 

PeeLee

Active Member
Oct 2, 2019
207
218
86pts was the only very good season league wise. 70 and 71 pts might not make top 4 in some seasons.
True, so what were the positions at close of League season in 2015-16 and 2018-19?
Ditto the number of points that gets a club relegated varies from season too season. Being a league, it's all relative.
 

doctor stefan Freud

the tired tread of sad biology
Sep 2, 2013
15,170
72,169
Mourinho has done literally nothing in his career which would cause his appointment here to make the club we’ve all supported since childhood so morally unpalatable that we’d abandon it.

Those claiming otherwise are just attention seeking, sorry.
I definitely wouldn’t abandon our club, and I’m tentatively ok with him coming here, mostly because we’re so fuck awful at the moment.

But I also remember the treatment of the Chelsea doctor- he really washed their laundry in public during that episode-, the eye gouging in Spain and the smirking, gloating prickfuckery of the interview he gave when Willian nipped across town to the Chavs after agreeing to sign for us. I’m ambivalent about him- he’s an intelligent coach who expects utter dedication from his squad, he’s likely to get us revving again. But he’s also done some twatty things in his time
 

LeParisien

Wrong about everything
Mar 5, 2018
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8,169
Mourinho has done literally nothing in his career which would cause his appointment here to make the club we’ve all supported since childhood so morally unpalatable that we’d abandon it.

Those claiming otherwise are just attention seeking, sorry.
That’s true. Unlikely to win us many new fans.

Yes neither will Poch as things stand but we can be thankful those aren’t the only two managers in the world.
 

freeeki

Arsehole.
Aug 5, 2008
11,836
69,426
That’s true. Unlikely to win us many new fans.

Yes neither will Poch as things stand but we can be thankful those aren’t the only two managers in the world.

Mourinho wins trophies. Trophies win fans. Always have.

See Manchester City for details.
 

LeParisien

Wrong about everything
Mar 5, 2018
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Mourinho wins trophies. Trophies win fans. Always have.

See Manchester City for details.
Will an FA cup win gain new fans ? I don’t know how Wigan or Portsmouth did on that front ?

Or might getting to a CL final having been involved in exciting games have been more effective ?

Winning big trophies will win new fans. Not second tier trophies. Playing turgid football.
 

scat1620

L'espion mal fait
May 11, 2008
16,280
52,490
Will an FA cup win gain new fans ? I don’t know how Wigan or Portsmouth did on that front ?

Or might getting to a CL final having been involved in exciting games have been more effective ?

Winning big trophies will win new fans. Not second tier trophies. Playing turgid football.
I'm posting this knowing that you don't agree and not even trying to convince you (and fair play: it's just my opinion vs your opinion), but by your current definition of top tier trophies (PL or CL, or earlier Division 1 champions / European Cup winnners equivalents), our entire history as a club consists of winning second tier trophies, with 2 exceptions for the League title in 1951 and 1961. So for me, those trophies (Europa League, FA Cup, League Cup) that you consider second tier are hugely desirable, and I'd much prefer us to be winning those than competing for the 'top tier' trophies but never actually winning one of them.

Like I say, not trying to convince you nor argue that I'm right and you're wrong (because again, it's clearly a matter of personal taste), but just wanted to put it out there that winning the FA Cup would make me a very happy scat indeed.
 

LeParisien

Wrong about everything
Mar 5, 2018
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I'm posting this knowing that you don't agree and not even trying to convince you (and fair play: it's just my opinion vs your opinion), but by your current definition of top tier trophies (PL or CL, or earlier Division 1 champions / European Cup winnners equivalents), our entire history as a club consists of winning second tier trophies, with 2 exceptions for the League title in 1951 and 1961. So for me, those trophies (Europa League, FA Cup, League Cup) that you consider second tier are hugely desirable for me, and I'd much prefer us to be winning those than competing for the 'top tier' trophies but never actually winning one of them.

Like I say, not trying to convince you nor argue that I'm right and you're wrong (because again, it's clearly a matter of personal taste), but just wanted to put it out there that winning the FA Cup would make me a very happy scat indeed.
Fair enough. I think that once upon a time the fa cup was a bigger deal.

But if people would love to win the fa cup and are willing to hold their noses then Mourinho makes sense !
 

scat1620

L'espion mal fait
May 11, 2008
16,280
52,490
Fair enough. I think that once upon a time the fa cup was a bigger deal.

But if people would love to win the fa cup and are willing to hold their noses then Mourinho makes sense !
Dare I say that I wouldn't even have to hold my nose with Mourinho? :censored: I actually really like his shithouse-ery and ability to wind opposition players, managers and fans up, and I've always thought that it would be fun to have a deliberate opposition troll in our tent pissing out for once rather than the usual vice versa scenario. I want Mourinho to become our manager because of his winning credentials AND his personality! :woot:
 

Spurs' Pipe Dreams

Well-Known Member
Aug 14, 2011
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ITK

JJ

We won’t sack him now & the hysteria on here is stupid. His first major blip in charge and he will be supported to come through it. Yes the form has been off for a while & playing style needs to change, yes we need to update certain positions but we will support MP as we should.

Edit - hysteria on Twitter not here but still....
 

dontcallme

SC Supporter
Mar 18, 2005
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ITK

JJ

We won’t sack him now & the hysteria on here is stupid. His first major blip in charge and he will be supported to come through it. Yes the form has been off for a while & playing style needs to change, yes we need to update certain positions but we will support MP as we should.

Edit - hysteria on Twitter not here but still....
Thanks for the update.

I don't believe the league results throughout 2019 can be counted as a blip.
 

kaz Hirai

Well-Known Member
Nov 5, 2008
17,692
25,340
ITK

JJ

We won’t sack him now & the hysteria on here is stupid. His first major blip in charge and he will be supported to come through it. Yes the form has been off for a while & playing style needs to change, yes we need to update certain positions but we will support MP as we should.

Edit - hysteria on Twitter not here but still....

Good to hear/read
 

highpressmess

Well-Known Member
May 22, 2018
73
377
ITK

JJ

We won’t sack him now & the hysteria on here is stupid. His first major blip in charge and he will be supported to come through it. Yes the form has been off for a while & playing style needs to change, yes we need to update certain positions but we will support MP as we should.

Edit - hysteria on Twitter not here but still....
This reply thread between Gards and JJ is relatively eye opening. Gards states that in direct response to the above
G: Unfortunately mate I’m hearing differently

JJ: We would be naive to not think that every scenario has been discussed at length within the club & within the club there are obvious different personalities & factions like any business. So many people currently talking about stuff & unless u are there it’s hard to validate truth!

G: Absolutely correct mate, Just not the noises I want to be hearing from reliable people from within the club. Not sure this ends well

JJ: Look I agree & can see both sides but believe we would be much better off with MP staying but can totally understand the fans displeasure at performances & results. I also don’t see someone else coming in & changing things with immediate positive effect after an initial good run

G: I’m with you on this, I think it would be a huge mistake to part ways, im@a huge fan of Poch and the whole club needs to sort themselves out. Players, heirachy etc. Poch warmed of this and needs support and backing during his toughest period as manager. I can’t see it though

JJ: He needs to be less set in his ways too !

G: ?he also needs to not alienate players and think that previous decisions work with this current crop because it doesn’t and is becoming boring and predictable

JJ: Totally agree !
 
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