Poch: In or Out? - You CAN change your vote

[olliec]

Going to put this into perspective. Sacking Poch is not the quick fix. We still have the same problems where a lot of the players either A: don’t want to be here and B: have one year left on their contract. Changing managers is not going to change the situation. We need to get behind Poch and back him through this very hard time. He’s said numerous times that this is going to be a tough tough period. The fact we didn’t strengthen any windows previously has built up to this. You don’t see any other teams struggling like we are right now because they always strengthen and keep their squads fresh. Our squad is stale and if Poch goes our squad is still stale no matter who comes in. A new manager will not rejuvenate a stale squad when players have no desire to play for the club anymore. Poch tried changing it up from the diamond and still he got no response from the team. This isn’t on Poch but more on half the players who literally have no desire to play for the club anymore. The CL final was the nail in the coffin for this group of players. Get behind Poch and let him rebuild. It’s going to be a rollercoaster of a season.

 

[Spurs 1961]

OK now I decided to cast my vote as it seems to have become a real issue for many SC fans. Personally I believe he has too much credit in his account to not give him a couple of more transfer windows to do some squad refreshing. With the contract situations this is probably still going to run until July and any new manager will not magically make that change

 

[fecka]

The Poch in brigade keep repeating like a mantra that it's not his fault that we're playing badly as some of our key players are looking to leave in the summer. We've had several ITK's contradict this stating that for example both Jan and Toby are apparently happy here but are more or less being shown the door, especially the latter. The only player we know for sure is looking to leave is Eriksen. If so, I can understand why the squad is unsettled as they are somewhat key figures in the dressing room and the squad might see it as them being disrespected.

Isn't it highly likely that this so called mutiny is a product of Poch's own doing and not something that's just magically happened out of nowhere?
I love Poch but it's clear he's done and while I don't think that by simply sacking him all problems will be solved they definitely won't be solved with him still here.

 

[hutchiniho]

Can't believe the numbers.

Have people lost the plot?

We've been playing pretty well, we hit the post at Arsenal which would have killed the game. VAR ruled out a goal at Leicester which would have capped off an almost certain impressive away win.

We played well tonight for the first 30. Tonight was a freak result, everything Bayern hit went in.

And Brighton today?

 

[journeyman]

I was very much “Poch in” before today. But I’m starting to wonder now if he can fix it. That was shocking today. 3 humiliating results in last 4 games. But worse, a league record stretching back to 23 Feb that reads:

P 20; W6; D4; L10

I would still give Poch the next set of games before the Nov international break to try to turn this round. He has been a terrific manager for us and deserves that chance.

But people saying this is all Levy or the players’ fault are wrong. A big share of the blame for our league performances in 2019 is Poch’s. We may have 3 big players running down contracts, but Poch added to that uncertainty himself with all those press conferences towards the end of last season and in the summer questioning his own role and future. And the buck ultimately stops with the manager - he is the one charged with making sure the players perform. And we have a squad of 26/27 who should be performing to a much higher standard than they are currently.

So, more time in my view, but not indefinitely so. We need to see evidence in next few games that he can arrest this slide. It’s head over heart, but I would rather finish 4th with Allegri than 6th with Poch.

 

[Gareth88]

So if sacking poch isnt the answer should we just dump the back 4 we have and put Foyth, Sanchez Tanganga and Sess when fit back there and see how they do for the season

 

[BuryMeInEngland]

Might as well just let the season play out now and see where we end up. Mid-table with nothing to show and not even Europa next year and things will probably take care of themselves in terms of the manager. If they manage to pull something out of their collective butts, then it puts a completely different face on it.

 

[Seafordian Spurs]

Might as well just let the season play out now and see where we end up. Mid-table with nothing to show and not even Europa next year and things will probably take care of themselves in terms of the manager. If they manage to pull something out of their collective butts, then it puts a completely different face on it.

I'm sure we'll make the Europa Conference ??

 

[NEVILLEB]

Poch warned this would happen years ago if the club didn’t start investing and still the fans blame him when it happens.

 

[Gareth88]

I'm sure we'll make the Europa Conference ??

The Championship play offs seems more plausible based on our recent results

 

[CarrickSpurgus]

Fucking disgraceful affair that its came to this, only spurs could fuck things up like this.Champions league finalists (I know I'm sick hearing it too) any other team galvanises , regroups and goes again, not us though, we implode.Poch isn't gonna turn this around imo its broken,the team isn't playing for him,today was as big an indicator as you could get.I'm sick of us being a nearly team I want us to actually win something and I've lost all hope that poch can be the coach to do this, unpopular as it may be I'd be delighted with mourinho regardless of the chaos it would probably end in ,but at least you could almost guarantee a trophy or 3 before it ended in tears.I'd take that right now

 

[hutchiniho]

“An Empire that is toppled by its enemies can rise again.
But one that crumbles from within, that’s dead”

Guess what I’m watching ?!!

 

[Gareth88]

“An Empire that is toppled by its enemies can rise again.
But one that crumbles from within, that’s dead”

Guess what I’m watching ?!!

Spurs vs Brighton

 

[überghost]

What I don't really understand is that we are supposedly suddenly in a position where several first team players are unhappy and are not playing for the manager. And this is used as a pro Poch defence as if he had no chance of seeing it happen. I cannot believe that the unrest is just recently appeared, and Poch must have known about unhappy players for some time.

It's Poch's responsability to discover and handle unrest as soon as it appears.
IMO he has rather fuled the fire and is now equally responsible for the unrest. This alongside the bad string of results, the form and the rather boring way of playing football over some time now is more than enough for me to vote for him to go.

 

[Mr Pink]

Poch warned this would happen years ago if the club didn’t start investing and still the fans blame him when it happens.

That's just bullshit. Poch may well have a point but no matter what we've been dreadful for months, and nowhere near good enough with players at his disposal.

 

[NEVILLEB]

That's just bullshit. Poch may well have a point but no matter what we've been dreadful for months, and nowhere near good enough with players at his disposal.

He’s got a point but it’s bullshit?

 

[stevenurse]

The Poch in brigade keep repeating like a mantra that it's not his fault that we're playing badly as some of our key players are looking to leave in the summer. We've had several ITK's contradict this stating that for example both Jan and Toby are apparently happy here but are more or less being shown the door, especially the latter. The only player we know for sure is looking to leave is Eriksen. If so, I can understand why the squad is unsettled as they are somewhat key figures in the dressing room and the squad might see it as them being disrespected.

Isn't it highly likely that this so called mutiny is a product of Poch's own doing and not something that's just magically happened out of nowhere?
I love Poch but it's clear he's done and while I don't think that by simply sacking him all problems will be solved they definitely won't be solved with him still here.

Too much smoke to think its not because he's fallen out with half the squad

 

[Mr Pink]

He’s got a point but it’s bullshit?

What I mean Nev, is that yes he has a point, but not to the extent of this piss poor form for the last x amount of months.

No matter the mitigation, we're still not performing anywhere near the level we should be with a squad of that quality.

 

[eddiev14]

“An Empire that is toppled by its enemies can rise again.
But one that crumbles from within, that’s dead”

Guess what I’m watching ?!!

The latest news update about Brexit?

 

[NEVILLEB]

What I mean Nev, is that yes he has a point, but not to the extent of this piss poor form for the last x amount of months.

No matter the mitigation, we're still not performing anywhere near the level we should be with a squad of that quality.

Yes I get that but it’s a mental decline. The players didn’t just turn bad.

He’s been suggesting that players are losing focus as they reach the end of their contracts or are failing to get moves away from the club. He’s been frustrated at his lack of control over the players we’ve bought in and you can see our midfield is a real mess.

I do think he’s tactically weak but it’s the same Manager that got us to 2nd/3rd and the final of the CL.

This is a problem with morale and focus in the squad and Poch has been warning about this for years.