jonnyrotten
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Poch: In or Out? - You CAN change your vote
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nailsy
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I agree, but if he has lost the dressing room then it probably doesn't matter how loyal the fans are - it will only end one way. People will take that into account when voting.
And 60% want him to stay. Considering that we've just had the worst home defeat in our history that seems pretty loyal. I'd guess that most other managers would have much lower figures.
The Opinionated Lurker
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The further we get from the Bayern match probably means more and more people voted stay or switched (if that’s possible). He’s like a dad to our fanbase and who wants to get rid of their dad?
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'O Zio
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Ordinarily I would agree. However, if the part of the dressing room that he's lost is primarily those who want out i.e. Jan, Toby, Rose, Eriksen then that's an issue that will solve itself one way or another over the course of this season because they'll either be sold in January to cut our losses, or will leave when their contracts run out at the end of the season.
As long as Poch stops being this grumpy irritable twat that we've seen him turn into over the last few months and goes back to being the guy we (and the players!) know and love, I don't see any reason why he won't be able to recover the dressing room once the "want-aways" have left. This season might just have to serve as a lesson to Levy and Poch that we need can't afford to stand still on the transfer market like we have because down the line you end up in a situation like we have now.
If Poch can cheer the fuck up and keep the rest of the squad on board, then over the summer we bring in proper replacements for the big names we've lost, then I don't see any reason why he shouldn't continue as manager. He's at least earned that opportunity IMO.
Obviously if the entire dressing room is toxic and even the likes of Kane are not playing for him then that's another question, but from what we've seen/heard so far, it seems to be almost exclusively down to a handful of players who are either at the end of their contracts or angling for a move. We're more than likely going to lose them either way come the summer so if it's a choice between keeping Poch or keeping them, then it makes far more sense to get behind Poch
easley91
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He's saying the amount of work being done to a high standard will be lower than before due to those about leave or thinking of leaving. I'd hazard a guess he is talking about those who were suppose to leave in the summer and who haven't signed new contracts thus likely wanting to leave in January or at season's end.
nailsy
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Even if it's just the players who've been linked with leaving - Rose, Toby, Jan, Eriksen, Wanyama, Aurier - that's still almost half of the current first choice eleven, and our entire back four. Would we get rid of those players and change things so drastically mid-season? The end of the season is such a long way away that I'm not sure Poch can hang on until then. Even January seems a long way away at the moment, especially with trips to Anfield and Munich to come before then. Things need to change quickly or the match-day fans will turn on him.
Hopefully the dressing room issues have been exaggerated and things might settle down if he changes the formation and gets a chance to integrate Lo Celso and Sessegnon into the team.
stevenqoz
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If that is what you believe watching that last ten minutes then you give the coach more influence and credit than due. Half the players gave up! Can you imagine Mackay Mullery Mabbut Perryman King or even Judas allowing that? The problem was on the field...we had no leader to even limit the damage. If we did those Bayern players would have been upended, blocked or pulled back. We have no captain figure on the field
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A good fraction of that 60% would vote to support the manager even if we were relegated.
They'd back him regardless as they feel that is their duty as loyal fans.
They are not rationally weighing up the situation.
So if Levy is using these polls to guide him, there probably will never be a majority to sack anyone. What % do the sackers need before he decides that there is too much division, and he has to act?
1 in 5 fans wanting a change seems quite significant. Alarms will be ringing, but dissenter can still be drowned out.
If it gets towards 1/3 - then I think he has to axe.
rez9000
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Can you prove that? If we're talking rationality...?
I very much doubt that Levy will take his decision based on a straw poll done on a single internet forum - even one as good as SC...
Dissenting to what?
It's already more than that. 1/3 is 33%. Of those who've voted, 38% think he should go...
'O Zio
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Not suggesting we will suddenly become better mid-season. I'm just saying if the problem is that the dressing room is split between the players that want out and Pochettino, to me it seems daft to side with the players and axe Poch when most of those players will be gone anyway at the end of the season. If we do that, then we've lost the players AND the best manager we've had in decades. Obviously it's unlikely we'll turn over so many players and still have a good season but the short term suffering might be worth it in the long run if it means we keep Poch, he goes back to being his old self, and we have a new crop of players willing to fight for him like this lot used to be.
Everlasting Seconds
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Agree, and intolerance for other players.
nailsy
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I get what you're saying and ideally that's what would happen, but can he last long if results don't improve? If this had happened around Christmas, he might do, but for it to start in September when the seasons only just started seems a lot to ask. He might survive if he changes the system, but is he too stubborn? And if he thinks certain players are a problem he shouldn't wait until we get rid of them. Drop them now and bring in someone who does want to play for him. To be fair, he has been doing that with some of them and injuries might mean that others are playing more than he wants. I'm intrigued to see who he selects and which formation we use this weekend.
'O Zio
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Yeah you're right but I still think it's currently our best option. We'll almost certainly have takers for those players in January if we want to shift them, just comes down to whether Levy will let them go for less than his asking price for the long-term benefit of the team.
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I suspect there will be a couple of times on Saturday when there will be a change.
One at 11.30 when the team news comes in and another at about 2.30 depending on the result.
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Klopp had a similar rocky spell at Dortmund when Gotze and Lewandowski left. In our case it's the imminent loss of Eriksen and probable losses of Alderweireld and Vertonghen. Klopp knew he could go somewhere that would back him much better than Dortmund, but I'm not sure that's the case with Poch. It seems we have money to spend and links with players like Dybala should envigorate any manager. As ever though, the question is whether Poch has lost heart in the project, but if he has, I don't see him going to a club like RM who have much higher demands and expectations than us, who'd be over the moon with an FA Cup.
