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Poch: In or Out? - You CAN change your vote

Should Poch stay or go?

  • Stay

    Votes: 657 55.3%
  • Go

    Votes: 532 44.7%

  • Total voters
    1,189

juste5boys

Well-Known Member
Jun 3, 2018
221
543
I've felt for some time that Poch has an element of self sabotage underlying his perfectionist nature and his stubbornness in playing wrong formations/wrong players etc is part of that so for me sadly I think he should go
 

scat1620

L'espion mal fait
May 11, 2008
16,285
52,502
@rez9000 are you able to edit the poll options to tick the Show Who Voted For Which Option checkbox? If so, please can you enable it? (I wish every poll on SC did this by default, and you had to make the extra effort to turn the option off if you had a particular reason to hide people's votes.)
 

Bobbins

SC's 14th Sexiest Male 2008
May 5, 2005
21,548
45,031
Stay. Bayern were magnificent, anyone wanting him sacked after this result needs to step back.

We played well against Southampton and won with fighting spirit. We were brilliant for the first 30 minutes tonight but ran out of steam.

The squad needs help in January - we need to find a new Sandro, a proper machine/beast/dynamic DM to cover the back four. We need two new top full-backs.

He can turn this around but he needs help from the fans and from the board.
 

King Ledley 26

Active Member
Aug 2, 2019
73
191
Out. Out. Out. You lot can blame levy all you want getting pumped 7-2 is on HIM he's done nothing but cry and moan and talk about other jobs fuck him off
 

freeeki

Arsehole.
Aug 5, 2008
11,836
69,426
I actually can’t believe 55% of people want him to stay.

I love a bit of deluded, misplaced and baseless optimism but fuck me.

Our last three league finishes have been 2nd, 3rd and 4th.

This season, I imagine 5th or below as things stand.

He had a two year honeymoon period when he joined the club and the steady decline has been happening ever since, with the last 12 months being complete and utter dross.

Any notion that he’s the man to turn this around is a delusion you’ve come up with yourself because there is zero evidence to back it.
 

rez9000

Any point?
Feb 8, 2007
11,942
21,098
@rez9000 are you able to edit the poll options to tick the Show Who Voted For Which Option checkbox? If so, please can you enable it? (I wish every poll on SC did this by default, and you had to make the extra effort to turn the option off if you had a particular reason to hide people's votes.)
Apparently not, scat - it doesn't give me that option in the edit. I think you can only do it when you first post the poll and I neglected to do that.
 

freeeki

Arsehole.
Aug 5, 2008
11,836
69,426
He can turn this around but he needs help from the fans and from the board.

He can fuck right off as far as I’m concerned. I’ve been clapping along with this circus since we were still trotting out the “but the World Cup made us tired” excuse for his incompetence.

No longer.
 

ultimateloner

Well-Known Member
Jan 25, 2004
4,539
2,149
Stay and the reasons are all nostalgic:

1) Best CL quarter-final ever
2) Consistent top-4 finishes with less resources than competitors

He has earned enough credit for me that even if we DON"T make top 6 this season i would still keep him.

He has his faults but don't forget the good stuff. He is good at introducing young players into the team. He is good at fitness. He improved players.

Besides it's only early Oct. loads of time.
 

Bobbins

SC's 14th Sexiest Male 2008
May 5, 2005
21,548
45,031
He can fuck right off as far as I’m concerned. I’ve been clapping along with this circus since we were still trotting out the “but the World Cup made us tired” excuse for his incompetence.

No longer.

Fucking hell freeeki get off the fence and tell us what you really think mate :LOL:
 

Mr Pink

SC Supporter
Aug 25, 2010
54,776
99,338
I actually can’t believe 55% of people want him to stay.

I love a bit of deluded, misplaced and baseless optimism but fuck me.

Our last three league finishes have been 2nd, 3rd and 4th.

This season, I imagine 5th or below as things stand.

He had a two year honeymoon period when he joined the club and the steady decline has been happening ever since, with the last 12 months being complete and utter dross.

Any notion that he’s the man to turn this around is a delusion you’ve come up with yourself because there is zero evidence to back it.

2nd, 3rd and 4th. Did you ever envisage us finishing that highly and that consistently?

You might want to ask who's responsible for setting your expectations so high.

We've got problems at the moment, and he's very much part of those problems but you could have a bit more respect for how far he's brought us.
 

Sandros Shiny Head

Well-Known Member
Aug 20, 2013
4,794
8,765
In.

On the basis of two things -

1) Bin this shitty formation and go back to what brought you success in footballing terms on the pitch.

2) Bin the players who are supposedly "agenda" driven in the dressing room. You've done it before you can do it again. There must be some youth who will once again listen to you and run through those metaphorical walls.

Bar fighting for forth in the league and the F.A Cup (if that floats your boat) this season can 'get in the fucking sea'.

Anything else is guess work unless someone comes up with some nailed on info that's as transparent as that box David Blaine sat in years ago and tried to be the smartest magician in the room with.
On number 2, if Poch is only good for creating a pretty good team with youth from a bad situation but ultimately having no trophies to show for it, surely it is time for him to go. Our group of players are too good to just have a full youth rebuild and leave empty handed
 

fishhhandaricecake

Well-Known Member
Nov 15, 2018
18,702
46,941
2nd, 3rd and 4th. Did you ever envisage us finishing that highly and that consistently?

You might want to ask who's responsible for setting your expectations so high.

We've got problems at the moment, and he's very much part of those problems but you could have a bit more respect for how far he's brought us.
True he has to be given huge credit for so much but also league was weak when he got us 2nd and 3rd, since then we’ve unfortunately gone backwards:(
 

freeeki

Arsehole.
Aug 5, 2008
11,836
69,426
2nd, 3rd and 4th. Did you ever envisage us finishing that highly and that consistently?

You might want to ask who's responsible for setting your expectations so high.

We've got problems at the moment, and he's very much part of those problems but you could have a bit more respect for how far he's brought us.

A gradual progression over fifteen years which began with Martin Jol and continued through Harry Redknapp and AVB.

Let’s not start the ridiculous revisionist nonsense of acting like there was nothing between Christian Gross leaving and Poch arriving, please.

I respect how well Poch did at first. I also refuse to be blind to a disastrous 12 months which he has been in control of.

If you think he can take us any further than he already has, I think you’re lying to yourself.
 
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On number 2, if Poch is only good for creating a pretty good team with youth from a bad situation but ultimately having no trophies to show for it, surely it is time for him to go. Our group of players are too good to just have a full youth rebuild and leave empty handed
The youth would be interim, wouldn't they? I don't expect another '5 year project' but if there are players not pulling their weight then surely you have some youth who could step in.

This season is buried.
 

Spurger King

can't smile without glue
Jul 22, 2008
43,881
95,147
I'm sorry but the bigger picture here is that Poch is not going to change, he has far too much foolish pride, he insists with the the diamond formation that just doesn't work, he puts players in positions that don't suit them, and a lot of people in this thread are saying, oh let's see what happens next game....hmm yeah give him time I think he just needs more time to change things...let's hope he will stop using the diamond formation. I mean seriously, wake up! All this wishful thinking is not going to happen. He has lost most of the dressing room, and things are rotten to the core at the club. Poch only sees things HIS WAY and will never change, that's just the type of person he is.

It’s not about wishful thinking. This is one of those rare occasions where if he’s lost the dressing room I blame the players instead of the manager. At the very least let him work with the new signings that are currently injured.

Any good manager worth his salt only sees things his way. He’s delivered consistent CL qualification, including a CL final. The easy thing is to roll the dice. Yes it was an embarrassing defeat to Bayern, but he deserves the right to see out the season. If he hasn’t turned it around by then, then fair enough.
 

Chimbo!

Well-Known Member
Jan 7, 2007
3,558
3,291
I can't believe almost 50% want him to go. Yes, he's persisted with this diamond nonsense for quite some time without success, and yes, his media comments have been unhelpful. But Levy has to take responsibility for not shifting players that should have been shifted. And the players have to take responsibility too. However bad you think our tactics were tonight, we were not getting battered until players switched off.
 

freeeki

Arsehole.
Aug 5, 2008
11,836
69,426
I can't believe almost 50% want him to go. Yes, he's persisted with this diamond nonsense for quite some time without success, and yes, his media comments have been unhelpful. But Levy has to take responsibility for not shifting players that should have been shifted. And the players have to take responsibility too. However bad you think our tactics were tonight, we were not getting battered until players switched off.

Who is responsible for motivating and managing the players?

Take your time.
 
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