Poch: In or Out? - You CAN change your vote

[Cambridge Spur]

Apart from basically a new back 4? Rose was to be sold, Aurier wants out, Toby wants out and I have no idea where Verts' head has gone. We don't just need surgery, we need a complete defensive transplant.

So we have,

KWP
Sanchez
Foyth
Davies

Sorry that is not good enough.

Poch signed Toby, Davies, Sanchez, Foyth and Aurier. Davies and Sanchez recently signed new long term contracts. He also allowed Trippier to be sold. He left Rose out of the tour and then made him first choice for the season. He played Vertonghen in every pre season game then dropped him from the entire squad. This is all poor management on Poch’s part. We need a right back and a centre half, hardly major surgery and even then our defensive problems are more caused by the fact we no longer play with a defensive midfielder.

 

[double0]

Go sadly, he seems to of lost the dressing room. And sadly hes beome very easy to play against. Levy must share some of this blame

His lost the dressing room because he wants most of them out and Levy didn't really follow through.

 

[spursfan77]

It has gone stale and we never recovered from Walker going and Dier/Wanyama dropping off in terms of how defensively weak we are now

Combined with weird tactics vs the original high press high energy WBs 4-2-3-1 formation and for periods 5 at the back that worked vs the current low intensity diamond

And the unnecessary book delving into the workings of the club don’t forget. As good a read as it was, it wasn’t helpful.

 

[Bobbins]

Never thought I would say it but it’s a bit of a shame Brenton went to Leicester, think he could do really well with our squad...

 

[Donki]

Poch signed Toby, Davies, Sanchez, Foyth and Aurier. Davies and Sanchez recently signed new long term contracts. He also allowed Trippier to be sold. He left Rose out of the tour and then made him first choice for the season. He played Vertonghen in every pre season game then dropped him from the entire squad. This is all poor management on Poch’s part. We need a right back and a centre half, hardly major surgery and even then our defensive problems are more caused by the fact we no longer play with a defensive midfielder.

Well if defence is what you want, you will love Jose, expect long balls from around the 60th minute, unless Jose has humbled massively, less demanding financially and has lost his ego he would be a disaster.

 

[Donki]

Never thought I would say it but it’s a bit of a shame Brenton went to Leicester, think he could do really well with our squad...

He is a very good manager, he is just very hard to like.

 

[felmani26]

Can't believe it's a discussion tbh.

Mostly because who do we replace him with?

Pochettino will be successful wherever he goes, especially considering how high his stock is atm, Real, PSG, United unlimited funds, we sack him and he will go on to prove that we made a mistake.

Can anyone really tell me that he'll fail at his next club? History at other clubs and our club kinda proves he won't.

So who do we get instead? Mourinho? Simeone? A n other elite football manager?
The problem is we will still have the same squad, wage structure and owners, is there a manager who can get better out of our current players? I very much doubt it.

So sacking him makes no sense if you consider what next...

Maybe we will continue to be sub par with Poch but I doubt it, a solution is normally found and we have a talented squad. I think we will qualify from our CL group and finish top 4. That's where we are atm

Depends how you quantify 'success' - especially if his next move is (likely) Madrid or Utd because top 4 finishes and Cup finals won't suffice for them.

 

[robin09]

What I find annoying, is how fans keeps ’demanding’ we just make a change so that we get better.

That’s it, Poch is done, replace him now. Let’s upgrade, come on. Time to improve again. So we win something.

Like you can just close your eyes, concentrate really hard, and shit out a Premier League trophy or two. Or three. And a CL.

It’s as if some people have forgotten professional sport is determined by a bounce here, an injury there. You can't just demand success. Every club wants the same thing, and only one can actually achieve it. And most importantly in football, a fuckbucket load of cash is what tends to determine it. We don’t have loads of cash.

So even the.....deep breathe....fans who want Poch to leave right now, will be equally disillusioned by his replacement. And the replacement after that. Poch has proven he can get this club to a certain level with little to no investment. That’s his value. If you want him to do more than that, give him money and time. But at some point, improvement will cease to be possible. After all, the best part of a billion pounds and City still haven’t won the CL.

Don’t make your demands so unattainable that you end up worse off than where we are.

It’s meant to be an escape, entertainment. The one downside to our rise in relevance under Poch, is some fans treating it like they’re Tesco’s shareholders demanding constant growth.

 

[spursfan77]

Well if defence is what you want, you will love Jose, expect long balls from around the 60th minute, unless Jose has humbled massively, less demanding financially and has lost his ego he would be a disaster.

Prefer that to getting smashed by 7 goals to 2 at home. Might even win something for once which would be nice. That’s not guaranteed obviously.

 

[double0]

Poch signed Toby, Davies, Sanchez, Foyth and Aurier. Davies and Sanchez recently signed new long term contracts. He also allowed Trippier to be sold. He left Rose out of the tour and then made him first choice for the season. He played Vertonghen in every pre season game then dropped him from the entire squad. This is all poor management on Poch’s part. We need a right back and a centre half, hardly major surgery and even then our defensive problems are more caused by the fact we no longer play with a defensive midfielder.

Davies and Trippier were club buys imo Sanchez Foyth I'd say they were recommended by Poch Aurier wasn't his first choice we took the cheaper option...Lo Celso and Ndombele 100% Poch signings , Sessegnon imo is a delegation signing, Clarke a club signing. Poch did say his title should be changed to coach.

Look Vertonghen has be poor his partnership with Toby has become a liability from last season we've lost far to many games with that pairing.

 

[Donki]

Prefer that to getting smashed by 7 goals to 2 at home. Might even win something for once which would be nice. That’s not guaranteed obviously.

I'm not denying Jose knows how to win, but clearly he would have to have a much different approach than he would of had probably anywhere else in his career, I don't think that can be denied.

 

[Cambridge Spur]

Well if defence is what you want, you will love Jose, expect long balls from around the 60th minute, unless Jose has humbled massively, less demanding financially and has lost his ego he would be a disaster.

What? Where did I say I want Mourinho because of his defensive nature? The best attacking teams in the world have a holding midfielder in front of the defence. I’m saying we have a great squad and Mourinho is the man who could get the best out of them.

 

[wirE]

Who would we replace him with? Max Allegeri allegedly started to learn English and was spotted at the stadion

 

[yankspurs]

Who would we replace him with? Max Allegeri allegedly started to learn English and was spotted at the stadion

If Poch goes, he’d be the best choice.

 

[Donki]

What? Where did I say I want Mourinho because of his defensive nature? The best attacking teams in the world have a holding midfielder in front of the defence. I’m saying we have a great squad and Mourinho is the man who could get the best out of them.

I'm not saying he couldn't, I am saying he would need to take a much different approach that he ever has before. He couldn't resort every press conference to a lack of spending. He couldn't demand we sign players like Lukaku on stupid wages and fee or Sanchez on bonkers wages, he couldn't sign players at £40M odd and then not play them, he would have to work much better with the youth players.

 

[Donki]

Who would we replace him with? Max Allegeri allegedly started to learn English and was spotted at the stadion

Last night?

 

[Cambridge Spur]

Davies and Trippier were club buys imo Sanchez Foyth I'd say they were recommended by Poch Aurier wasn't his first choice we took the cheaper option...Lo Celso and Ndombele 100% Poch signings , Sessegnon imo is a delegation signing, Clarke a club signing. Poch did say his title should be changed to coach.

Look Vertonghen has be poor his partnership with Toby has become a liability from last season we've lost far to many games with that pairing.

I’m sorry but I disagree. Toby and Jan aren’t the cause of our defensive frailties, they are still quality players. The problem is the system. How many times did Winks venture forward last night, do a 360, lose possession and then we were exposed? 4-2-3-1, Dier in front of the centre halves and we would see a different team.

 

[mrlilywhite]

A Champions League final is pretty good evidence, is it not?

I don't know about that being good evidence? Roberto Di Matteo went and won the bloody thing, yet that didn't save him from the chop did it? Tbh it frustrates me that people cling onto the CL final thing like it is evidence that proves Poch's worth. I don't think it is - if anything the statue for Moura for actually getting us there is more fitting imho. The only thing that keeps Poch safe is one thing, his football identity - The Poch counter-press and the intensity back again. Those times were when he was deserving of recognition and praise. It isn't likely though, as I don't think we have the players for it nowadays.

 

[$hoguN]

I want him to stay as long as we never, ever see a fucking 4312 diamond again. I want us to go back to the good old 4231.

We have played he fucking diamond for over 12 months now and it’s not changing

 

[Karol]

Davies and Trippier were club buys imo Sanchez Foyth I'd say they were recommended by Poch Aurier wasn't his first choice we took the cheaper option...Lo Celso and Ndombele 100% Poch signings , Sessegnon imo is a delegation signing, Clarke a club signing. Poch did say his title should be changed to coach.

Look Vertonghen has be poor his partnership with Toby has become a liability from last season we've lost far to many games with that pairing.

The problem isn't the CB pairing it's the lack of protection from midfield

There are acres of green space for opposition players to waltz through since the diamond has become the preferred formation

Only one person to blame for that, Poch