Player Watch Player Watch: Timo Werner

[cjsimba]

He’s overthinking everything.

At Man Utd the criticism was he should have taken the first 1v1 round the keeper.

So when the chance came up last night it obviously affected his thinking and he chose the wrong option to go round the keeper.

Needs one of these 1v1s to just go in and then hopefully he can get back to playing on instinct. A bit like how it’s worked for Brennan.

 

[Dzejkob]

Its not just finishing but overall I think he doesnt offer that much tbh. He usually picks simple pass, he is not really that creative, he misspleace pass often when being pressed. He has good timing and can find himself in good scoring positions but he cant finish so it doesnt really matter. Comparing him to Moore, yesterday when Mike found himself in difficult position he often found a way to escape. He was making good decisions. Its just that feeling when he has the ball that he may make things happen. I just dont have that with Werner. We should still keep him for cover and maybe he should start against Brighton so we dont put too much on Moore (despite what I said in Moore thread). But I feel after yesterday the hierarchy was changed for those winger positions.

 

[E17yid]

He’s overthinking everything.

At Man Utd the criticism was he should have taken the first 1v1 round the keeper.

So when the chance came up last night it obviously affected his thinking and he chose the wrong option to go round the keeper.

Needs one of these 1v1s to just go in and then hopefully he can get back to playing on instinct. A bit like how it’s worked for Brennan.

Wait a minute, are you suggesting he was online after the UTD game and saw people saying he should’ve gone round the keeper so that’s why he chose the wrong option and tried to go round the keeper last night?

 

[Mooger Fooger]

Its not just finishing but overall I think he doesnt offer that much tbh. He usually picks simple pass, he is not really that creative, he misspleace pass often when being pressed. He has good timing and can find himself in good scoring positions but he cant finish so it doesnt really matter. Comparing him to Moore, yesterday when Mike found himself in difficult position he often found a way to escape. He was making good decisions. Its just that feeling when he has the ball that he may make things happen. I just dont have that with Werner. We should still keep him for cover and maybe he should start against Brighton so we dont put too much on Moore (despite what I said in Moore thread). But I feel after yesterday the hierarchy was changed for those winger positions.

Agree. There's no intelligence or guile to Werners play. I'm not sure I've ever seen such a talented footballer panic so much in front of goal. And that's not a confidence thing. Done it everywhere he's played. He can't put the ball in the net.

 

[gavspur]

It’s almost like he doesn’t know what to do with where he is on the pitch. He has shot early, shot too late, not gone round the keeper, gone round the keeper. All with the same outcome. Whenever I see him through, I have no confidence he will score, he must have the same feeling x1000. Against Man Utd he really should have run across the defenders line to give himself a better angle and more central, if the defender then clips him, it’s a red and a penalty or free kick. But he didn’t seem aware enough of his position to cut across. I find it very strange. Germans are know for being methodical, almost robot-like in their approach to things, so I’d be giving him all different angle one on ones in training, over and over again.

 

[Ruducus]

It is incomprehensible that Werner once scored 28 goals in 34 games. I watched his highlights and he used to shoot with so much power and conviction. I wonder if he just needs a run of games and some confidence in him.

I just don't believe that he's completely lost the ability to finish, it's clearly a confidence issue. I hope he starts again against Brighton. He's doing all of the right things, he's getting these chances and 1v1's every game. Maybe I'm being naïve but I think he will find some form. I don't think this is just him showing his level of ability.

 

[Kingellesar]

We can't keep allowing him to miss the chances hoping others bail him out but I do feel if he can put one away, he will get some confidence back. You can see as soon as he gets in a 1 v 1 he looks defeated already. Issue is, I don't know how we get him to score unless we somehow round the keeper on the goal line and pass it to him....even then I wouldn't be confident.

 

[cjsimba]

Wait a minute, are you suggesting he was online after the UTD game and saw people saying he should’ve gone round the keeper so that’s why he chose the wrong option and tried to go round the keeper last night?

Err no? I think he probably got that message from Ange and the coaches at the club as it seemed pretty obvious to most that going round the keeper had the best chance of resulting in a goal for that opportunity, the time he had and the position of himself and the goalkeeper.

 

[E17yid]

Err no? I think he probably got that message from Ange and the coaches at the club as it seemed pretty obvious to most that going round the keeper had the best chance of resulting in a goal for that opportunity, the time he had and the position of himself and the goalkeeper.

Probably got the message?, You don’t know what he was told by Ange or the coaches after the game.

If he was told that it’s hardly their fault for him continuously fucking up these chances, we can’t protect him from valid criticism by saying the coaches are making him over think. I think it’s much more likely he’s not in good form and he has a massive mental block in these types of situations. Its not that deep.

 

[cjsimba]

Probably got the message?, You don’t know what he was told by Ange or the coaches after the game.

If he was told that it’s hardly their fault for him continuously fucking up these chances, we can’t protect him from valid criticism by saying the coaches are making him over think. I think it’s much more likely he’s not in good form and he has a massive mental block in these types of situations. Its not that deep.

I think we're in agreement mate that it's a mental block and he's currently overthinking things. I didn't say it was the coaches' fault?

 

[Ribble]

It is incomprehensible that Werner once scored 28 goals in 34 games. I watched his highlights and he used to shoot with so much power and conviction. I wonder if he just needs a run of games and some confidence in him.

I think it's pretty clear he's been suffering from the yips for years now, I don't think there's anything specific that can help him unfortunately.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Its not just finishing but overall I think he doesnt offer that much tbh. He usually picks simple pass, he is not really that creative, he misspleace pass often when being pressed. He has good timing and can find himself in good scoring positions but he cant finish so it doesnt really matter. Comparing him to Moore, yesterday when Mike found himself in difficult position he often found a way to escape. He was making good decisions. Its just that feeling when he has the ball that he may make things happen. I just dont have that with Werner. We should still keep him for cover and maybe he should start against Brighton so we dont put too much on Moore (despite what I said in Moore thread). But I feel after yesterday the hierarchy was changed for those winger positions.

That left footed cross for Lankshear was pretty good

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

It is incomprehensible that Werner once scored 28 goals in 34 games. I watched his highlights and he used to shoot with so much power and conviction. I wonder if he just needs a run of games and some confidence in him.

I just don't believe that he's completely lost the ability to finish, it's clearly a confidence issue. I hope he starts again against Brighton. He's doing all of the right things, he's getting these chances and 1v1's every game. Maybe I'm being naïve but I think he will find some form. I don't think this is just him showing his level of ability.

Yep I’m thinking the same mate it’s not a fundamental technical issue more of a decision making and mental one.

If we see his highlights from his 28 goal season he was hammering finishes past the keeper or confidently rounding the keeper, right now he’s a bit inbetween both, needs more conviction and confidence, that might come over the season as he plays more games.

 

[ikky]

We’ve been lucky so far that his misses haven’t cost us games and because of this he’s got off relatively lightly. I think it could get ugly with some fans if these misses did cost us games. If I were coaching him I’d be doing repetitively one on ones with the keeper in training until he’s sick of it and it’s instinct. Whilst Son and Oderbert are out he’s not doing himself any favours for staking a place.

 

[Ruducus]

I think it's pretty clear he's been suffering from the yips for years now, I don't think there's anything specific that can help him unfortunately.

I don't think it's that. The Yips involves involuntary physical movement, that's why it's more associated with golf, snooker, tennis, gymnastics, baseball. It's a physical inability to do a highly trained task. Werner seems to have a confidence issue, which can be helped. If he had the Yips he literally wouldn't be able to play football at the level he has.

He did get 22 goals and assists in 40 games when he went to RB & he got 5 in 13 for us last season. You can't do that if you have the Yips.

There is actually a distinction between choking and the yips. Choking is purely mental & it seems to be what Werner has.

 

[Ruducus]

Yep I’m thinking the same mate it’s not a fundamental technical issue more of a decision making and mental one.

If we see his highlights from his 28 goal season he was hammering finishes past the keeper or confidently rounding the keeper, right now he’s a bit inbetween both, needs more conviction and confidence, that might come over the season as he plays more games.

Yeah, I mean you look at Johnson's shot that hit the crossbar last night. He just never takes that last season or at the start of the season.

I think Werner suffers form being on loan, it add pressure on him to perform and reduces the need to play him if he doesn't. I think the answer is to basically say to him, we have total faith you will score these chance you're getting yourself into. You're gonna play regardless, keep trying.

Because the thing is, he actually gets in more 1v1s than any of our players. His movement is great. It is definitely worth sticking with him as he starts to score half he good chances that's one most games because he gets in those positions constantly.

 

[allatsea]

Can't be giving him a run of games when their are others like Son, Moore, Odobert pushing for the same place.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Yeah, I mean you look at Johnson's shot that hit the crossbar last night. He just never takes that last season or at the start of the season.

I think Werner suffers form being on loan, it add pressure on him to perform and reduces the need to play him if he doesn't. I think the answer is to basically say to him, we have total faith you will score these chance you're getting yourself into. You're gonna play regardless, keep trying.

Because the thing is, he actually gets in more 1v1s than any of our players. His movement is great. It is definitely worth sticking with him as he starts to score half he good chances that's one most games because he gets in those positions constantly.

agree buddy

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

We’ve been lucky so far that his misses haven’t cost us games and because of this he’s got off relatively lightly. I think it could get ugly with some fans if these misses did cost us games. If I were coaching him I’d be doing repetitively one on ones with the keeper in training until he’s sick of it and it’s instinct. Whilst Son and Oderbert are out he’s not doing himself any favours for staking a place.

He did well to get into those positions in the first place with excellent pace and movement.

Disagree he’s not doing himself any favours whilst Son and Odobert are out, a few 1v1 misses aside he’s been a real threat in both recent matches.

Of course we hope he starts to take more of those 1v1 chances as the season goes on but I certainly don’t think he’s been playing badly, far from it tbh.

 

[Guntz]

Can't be giving him a run of games when their are others like Son, Moore, Odobert pushing for the same place.

Two of those three are injured