Player Watch Player Watch: Timo Werner

[dontcallme]

I just don't see what slagging our players off all the time achieves.

And when we win, I'm just happy and positive. Amazed so many enjoy digging out our players despite the result, and especially when they haven't had a bad game overall.

The old "if you haven't got anything nice to say" adage seems a long, long time ago. But hey ho...

I don't see what anything we talk about on here achieves.

People are here, I'm hoping, because they enjoy football. Anything we enjoy creates discussion and analysis.

I really enjoyed our performance today. In response to that, I like to analyse the game and the performances. Part of today's performance included some woeful finishing and on the ball play by Werner. My analysis also included saying that Werner had good overall performance.

It seems pretty normal to be allowed to talk about both sides of that, regardless of the result.

 

[easley91]

Thought his overall game was good even with the missed chances.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Why ? What does he offer ?

This is exactly what people were saying about Brennan Johnson, literally a few weeks ago. The quality is there, he probably just needs a boost to his confidence, something to go his way, maybe putting away one of those chances would have done the trick, who knows.

 

[Cornpattbuck]

I don't see what anything we talk about on here achieves.

People are here, I'm hoping, because they enjoy football. Anything we enjoy creates discussion and analysis.

I really enjoyed our performance today. In response to that, I like to analyse the game and the performances. Part of today's performance included some woeful finishing and on the ball play by Werner. My analysis also included saying that Werner had good overall performance.

It seems pretty normal to be allowed to talk about both sides of that, regardless of the result.

Fair play man.

 

[E17yid]

Overall it wasn’t a bad performance but if we lose that game 1-0 or we draw then no one would be saying he had a decent game. Got away with it a bit today but hopefully Son is back next game anyway plus it sounds like Odobert’s injury isn’t to bad touch wood.

 

[BorjeSpurs]

Half glass full thinking here:

- If he goes back to last season's form he can still be a useful player for us this season.

- His first start in the league came when Son, Richarlison and Odobert were all out injured.

- If he doesn't perform, the more minutes we'll see for Mikey.

- He is only on loan, this should in all likelihood be his last season for us.

 

[Hotspur88]

Was furious when I saw he was starting today after Coventry Away. I was there and it was one of the worst performances I've seen from any Spurs player over the 30+ years I've supported us. Today he was much better, but still far from good enough. He caused problems and got in good positions, he's just not a great finisher and I'm not sure that part of his game will ever improve to a level where we should consider signing him on a permanent basis.

He'll do this season as an off the bench option, but I'll be seriously angry if we sign him on a permanent basis next summer.

 

[SpartanSpur]

The 1 on 1s weren't great, but the totally flubbed cut back after great work on the wing was incredibly bad. He had two players in clear space and had got himself into a nice pocket of space.

He did a job in the system last year but it already feels like we have developed to the point where we need more from our LW than the what he offers.

 

[jay2040]

Was furious when I saw he was starting today after Coventry Away. I was there and it was one of the worst performances I've seen from any Spurs player over the 30+ years I've supported us. Today he was much better, but still far from good enough. He caused problems and got in good positions, he's just not a great finisher and I'm not sure that part of his game will ever improve to a level where we should consider signing him on a permanent basis.

He'll do this season as an off the bench option, but I'll be seriously angry if we sign him on a permanent basis next summer.

Agree he is a good short term fix though hopefuly an area we can upgrade and not have to worry about offloading him

 

[Yiddo100]

He’s the perfect sub for when the game is won or 2/3 goals up, does the team game perfectly and does what ange wants except the finishing.

However that’ll probably be the minutes that Mikey should be having now.

 

[Tottenhamboy85]

We need a better winger in January and hopefully there’s a loop hole to cancel his loan

 

[chas vs dave]

I thought he had a good game.

 

[VoteMe4Prez]

I bet he scores midweek. I thought he played well given his poor finishing all game

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

Needs to get himself on the training ground. And developing some power into his shots on goal at pace.

He's absolutely rapid and has good positioning sense at times. But where's the power? Not easy at the pace he motors at, but if he could nail it then that would transform him into some player.

Get some lessons off sonny!

Had a good game, shots aside.

 

[thehipster]

Timo is overthinking to catastrophic proportions
Lovely, sound, smiley guy. Perfect to date your daughter.
However, he’s never going to be a Premier League killer.
He’s never going to be a lead assister.

He has chronic self doubt. A lack of self belief
Yes, with the right head specialist he can come good, but for the elevation in performance that 99% of fans want to see/demand from our team this season, Timo is only ever going to disappoint.
He’s not at the races. He requires a world class head doctor. Not many about….and I’m busy.

 

[Tottenhamboy85]

Needs to get himself on the training ground. And developing some power into his shots on goal at pace.

He's absolutely rapid and has good positioning sense at times. But where's the power? Not easy at the pace he motors at, but if he could nail it then that would transform him into some player.

Get some lessons off sonny!

Had a good game, shots aside.

He’s just lost it similar to Torres. There’s no amount of training is going to change things.
He probably needs to drop to a lower German club where he’ll be number 1 and just enjoy playing

 

[Yiddo100]

Needs to get himself on the training ground. And developing some power into his shots on goal at pace.

He's absolutely rapid and has good positioning sense at times. But where's the power? Not easy at the pace he motors at, but if he could nail it then that would transform him into some player.

Get some lessons off sonny!

Had a good game, shots aside.

I’d argue he does the opposite, forget about doing extra work, make it as less as an issue as possible, he’s probably overthinking his finishing right now, because I don’t think you lose the ability that he once had.

 

[HarryKane]

Remember when he was so highly rated at Leipzig? What’s happened to that guy? He looks like a deer in the headlights ALL the time when he’s through on goal.

He's always been that guy, that never stopped. Look at what Leipzig fans said when Chelsea bought him, he is playing exactly the same then as now. Go back to threads when he was linked with clubs (including spurs) in 2014 when he was still at stuttgart because it was exactly the same, he hasn't changed. Fast, hard working etc but technically rough around the edges and needs to improve finishing a lot, but if he improves those things he could be a monster. Fast forward 10 years and how much has he progressed? It's exactly the same deficiencies in his game. It was a bit better in terms of finishing but Leipzig created so many chances and so much better chances tearing teams apart that he could actually score goals, but even then he's never been a good finisher, ever. Apologies for trhe self indulgence but quoting myself from January before he joined:

I don't doubt his work off the ball and his fit for the general style of play for the team. He works hard, can press well, can excel when countering/in transition, has good movement off the ball and is a very good athlete so he fits the style of player mould very well. But on the ball and in front of goal he can be a nightmare and those bad games make you wonder how the hell he's actually a professional player. There was a game vs Zenit years ago where he looked okay and then he completely miscontrolled a pass and it went out for a throw. If people are frustrated with Rich not finishing chances then you're going to pull your hair out watching this guy, the only player that comes close in that regard in very recent times for them has been Jackson and he's been terrible. That is if he can stay on side in the first place. I generally don't like these but apparently for chelsea in the league he had 7 goals from 16.77 xg at that point in his 2 seasons, which pretty much means you're dog water if you only score 0.4x what the average player "should" score



He's like a Lucas and Adama Traore type of player - he clearly has something about him but puts it together in maybe 1/5 games that gives you hope and think "if he can do that more consistently he's a world beater" and the other 4/5 wondering how he can play so well in those 1/5 games. If you can make him click he's transformative, if not you can't get him out of there quick enough. 6 month loan with a cheap option is fair and low risk but I'm not expecting him to put it all together magically out of nowhere

Does that not describe him as a player? I used to watch the guy now and then because Leipzig were a fun team and his entire career is deja vu, you could swap him as a player in his late teens, early-mid 20s and now at any point in his career the end result would be near identical, I don't know if I've he's improved as a player whatsoever. Worst kind of hope because he clearly has some of the tools to be a good player, but he hasn't been able to refine other parts of his game to push him on at all and take himself to the next level

 

[SlotBadger]

I thought he was good today, even if his final pass/shot was (way) off.

For me, watching Werner since joining Chelsea, I think his nervousness in front of goal has to be mostly psychological.

His goals in Germany show that the raw ability to finish difficult chances is within him, but I don’t think anyone could be blamed for thinking he’s probably not going to return to that level.

Sadly, I feel like this happens often through a solitary moment or collection of incidents occurring in relatively quick succession. Just look at Torres’ decline, or how the previously predatory Soldado fluffed chances for us.

While you can argue the level of other leagues might not be equal to the Premier League, a one-on-one is a one-on-one, and the ball still has to make its way past the goalkeeper.

I feel like his confidence to finish is so low that it’s affecting his decision-making. He should have attempted to round Onana with his first chance, but it seems as though he didn’t back himself to have the quality to do so and instead rushed his finish. It came across as a bit desperate.

Look how assured he appeared when presented with similar opportunities in the Bundesliga:

 

[Aleks]

there was that one moment where he completely skinned his man in the second half (and then put the ball in between his teammates) where I was shocked and impressed, haven't seen one of our wingers completely skin someone like that in forever.