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Aleks

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The transfer window doesn't even open for 2 weeks, 14th June.
I know, but it's not about me being impatient, it's more that this deal feels like a stopgap again and is another foreign spot taken.

Son isn't getting younger and we really need to think about his replacement and Werner definitely isn't him.
 

Trix

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I know, but it's not about me being impatient, it's more that this deal feels like a stopgap again and is another foreign spot taken.

Son isn't getting younger and we really need to think about his replacement and Werner definitely isn't him.
How many top class players/upgrades did you genuinely expect us to buy this window?
 

easley91

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I know, but it's not about me being impatient, it's more that this deal feels like a stopgap again and is another foreign spot taken.

Son isn't getting younger and we really need to think about his replacement and Werner definitely isn't him.
Werner isn't the Son replacement, or else this would already be permanent. He is the cover/squad option for a year that is better than Gil and Solomon whilst we seek the longer term Son replacement. If we sign that this window, which isn't even open yet, then great. If not, we have a year to look around and we're not tied down to Werner trying to shift him permanently off the books like we are with several others.

It feels like a stopgap, because that is exactly what it is.
 

Aleks

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How many top class players/upgrades did you genuinely expect us to buy this window?
It's not about top class upgrades it's about players that have the bit of unknown to be top class. Like a Wharton for example.

However if there was any money that needs to be significantly spent it would be on a Son replacement in my opinion
 

Yid-ol

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It's not about top class upgrades it's about players that have the bit of unknown to be top class. Like a Wharton for example.

However if there was any money that needs to be significantly spent it would be on a Son replacement in my opinion

Striker first, then Defensive midfielder. Then I would say LB and followed by RB.

That way we have everything covered. We still have Son, yes we need a replacement in time, but Wener gives us time to fix that. All the other positions we need now or have no decent back up currently.
 

mil1lion

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We will see, we’ve been linked heavily to Williams, we tried to sign Nusa etc so we clearly do want a player of that type. And again I stress every single top team in the world needs attackers who are good on the ball, not just 1v1 specialist, good quality in possession, which we lack.

If Ange truly doesn’t believe players of good technique are important in attack then I have serious reservations about how successful he will be. However I believe he does see it, he’s just not finished building his squad and/or hasn’t been given those players yet.
He signed off on Soloman , it just hasn't worked out with him due to injury. If we don't stick with him I can't imagine Ange doesn't go for another signing like that.
 

Trix

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It's not about top class upgrades it's about players that have the bit of unknown to be top class. Like a Wharton for example.

However if there was any money that needs to be significantly spent it would be on a Son replacement in my opinion
This is the thing though isn't it. You think the biggest signing moneywise should be a LWF, Some say it's a CF, others a RWF, and others still a DM. At some point compromises have to be made. Unfortunately for you, the club feel that LWF is one that we compromise on. Some of us are going to be happy the money went the way we wanted others are not.
 

jazz15c

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Werner has (at least for the time being) incrementally increased the quality of our squad.

Is Werner a better option than Solomon or Gil? Yes. Therefore, that slot in our squad has improved. Is he a world beater? No, but it is an improvement on what we have.

This is why I'm coming around to the idea of Connor Gallagher, though not for the £50 mill they want (£20-25 mill is about right).
Is he a world beater? No. Is he better than Hojbjerg or Skipp? Absolutely yes.
So will that signing also improve the quality of our squad? Yes, as he is an improvement on what we have.
 
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thebenjamin

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How many top class players/upgrades did you genuinely expect us to buy this window?

Three. Two forwards and one midfielder.

Then three more as potential / backup

Given the players who are surplus and up for sale, I'd say that's the bare minimum if we want to be competitive next season
 

Aleks

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This is the thing though isn't it. You think the biggest signing moneywise should be a LWF, Some say it's a CF, others a RWF, and others still a DM. At some point compromises have to be made. Unfortunately for you, the club feel that LWF is one that we compromise on. Some of us are going to be happy the money went the way we wanted others are not.
yes I agree with that. That's why I feel like it is understandable that some people aren't happy with this signing and it isn't mind boggling that they aren't
 

E17yid

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One half of the forum thinks I lead the Anti Levy brigade, the other half think I'm an activist on behalf of the BSODL.

Balanced views are not widely accepted round these parts.
You’re like the BBC, if you’re pissing off both Levy haters and lovers then you must be doing a pretty good job and being somewhere in the middle. I’d take it as a compliment.
 

Trix

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Same, LWF is the least of my worries though as Son was always going to be the main man in that position next season. It was one position I didn't think we'd upgrade because of that. So a decent back up option with no risk who the manager already likes is ok for me
 

mil1lion

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We could very well go into the season with Son, Maddison and a new RW and CF starting. That would leave Werner, Kulusevski, Johnson and Richarlison for competition. Add to that Santiago, Devine, Moore, Donley, Veliz, Scarlett, Lanksheare as young prospects for the future. That looks good to me so we will just have to see how the window unfolds. Even if we don't get more wide attackers there's time on the side for some others to step up.
 

Cochise

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You've already made your call. If we sign other brilliant players I'll be happy with this signing is just pretending to be happy with this signing.

In other words, other brilliant signings make the werner loan irrelevant. While other mediocre signings will fit with an already mediocre loan deal.
That's a fair summary. Having read earlier ITK I'd expected us to put a lot of money into the forward positions. Werner points towards us holding funds back for some real quality at centre forward and perhaps #6 (although a lot of talk seems to be that there's not many top players around for that role this summer). As others have said RWF feels like it's fully stocked with Brennan and Deki.

I always felt like the squad revamp would take a couple more summer's so perhaps Son's heir comes in next year. That's fine by me IF we make big moves to improve the other key positions in the first team this summer.
 

Misfit

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I know, but it's not about me being impatient, it's more that this deal feels like a stopgap again and is another foreign spot taken.

Son isn't getting younger and we really need to think about his replacement and Werner definitely isn't him.
It absolutely is a stop gap. Hopefully we can bag ourselves a genuine, full fat quality winger for the right and a CM of similar quality. Then there's a need at striker. We're not going to get everything done to our satisfaction in this window.
 

Trix

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You've already made your call. If we sign other brilliant players I'll be happy with this signing is just pretending to be happy with this signing.

In other words, other brilliant signings make the werner loan irrelevant. While other mediocre signings will fit with an already mediocre loan deal.
Disagree. Fact is we can't just go out and get upgrades in every area we need to financially, and we do have to a competitive squad because of the extra games we are going to be playing this year. In isolation it's not an inspired signing, but as part of a collective where we have to work within a budget and still sign X amount of players it could be.
 

DJS

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Dec 9, 2006
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Werner has (at least for the time being) incrementally increased the quality of our squad.

Is Werner a better option than Solomon or Gil? Yes. Therefore, that slot in our squad has improved. Is he a world beater? No, but it is an improvement on what we have.

This is why I'm coming around to the idea of Connor Gallagher, though not for the £50 mill they want (£20-25 mill is about right).
Is he a world beater? No. Is he better than Hojbjerg or Skipp? Absolutely yes.
So will that signing also improve the quality of our squad? Yes, as he is an improvement on what we have.
If Solomon could stay fit I think he would be an excellent option to have as has the talent and ability.

Just the question marks over whether he can steer clear of injuries.
 
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