Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

[nailsy]

I really don't believe all the assumptions made that Ndombele isnt working hard what's to leave or being influenced by the media in France. Mourinho called him out, he has history doing this to players. Ndombele hasn't started a game since the restart his our record signing ffs how is he supposed to integrate when his being played only if we're losing. Kane over the years has earned the right to be picked even when not fully match fit, his given the games to work upto match fitness.

I dont get it, our midfield lacks creativity and a defensive structure and if Kane doesn't score from his own efforts were doomed.

What's him being our record signing got to do with anything? We shouldn't be picking the team based on price tags. If he doesn't show what the manager wants to see in training and when he's given a chance then he won't get picked.

We have just witnessed him have the exact same lack of faith with Pogba to the point where the lad seemed determined to leave. Now under Solsjkaer who previously got sacked by Cardiff City pogba is flying again.

N'dombele may not have that energy jose wants but let's not pretend mourinho doesn't have form here.

If you want to talk bad attitudes he picks serge aurier a man who time and time again has let the team down and yet were basing out whole system around him so he doesnt have to defend. Yet young Ryan Sessegnon who has done nothing wrong cant get on the bench when if they flipped that system and free'd him up on the left it would suit his game perfectly.

I dont mind serge but I get frustrated with this constant having a go at n'dombele when he hasn't really had the chance to shine.

Pogba's played half a dozen good games since the restart. That's about all he's done this season. His agent has continued to be disruptive to United in the year and a half since Jose left:

“Paul is not mine and for sure not Solskjær’s property. Paul is Paul Pogba’s. You cannot own a human being already for a long time in the UK or anywhere else. I HOPE Solskjær DO NOT WANT TO SUGGEST THAT PAUL IS HIS PRISONER.

“But BEFORE Solskjær makes comments about things I say he should inform himself better about the context of what has been said. I am a free citizen who can think and express my thoughts. Until now I was maybe nice to him. Solskjær should just remember things that he said in the summer to Paul."


I don't disagree about Sessegnon, but if we dropped Aurier who would play right back?

 

[Jamturk]

Didn't Jose give Tanguy a chance against Burnly , Wolves in January??

I really can't stand this lazy fucking nonsense.
A few points.

1, It's taken more than a few of the Premier leagues greatest imports more than a season to get up to speed in the English premier league yet people want to throw this kid under a bus already.

2, He is at a club that has sacked the manager and in turmoil on the pitch, who the fuck is going to thrive in an enviroment like that in their 1st season in the PL?

3, It's not fair to throw players into games after considerable spells out and then to castigate them when they are not up to speed, quite often it takes a run of games to get into the groove.

4, Wolves have run rings around us the last few seasons no matter who we've put on the field.

5, Against Burnley Mourinho clearly changed his shape at HT after getting it totally wrong in the first half and also had Skipp next to Ndombele.

6, He is not a CM in the mould of what Mourinho likes in his teams, just take a look through his past teams.

 

[double0]

What's him being our record signing got to do with anything? We shouldn't be picking the team based on price tags. If he doesn't show what the manager wants to see in training and when he's given a chance then he won't get picked.



Pogba's played half a dozen good games since the restart. That's about all he's done this season. His agent has continued to be disruptive to United in the year and a half since Jose left:

“Paul is not mine and for sure not Solskjær’s property. Paul is Paul Pogba’s. You cannot own a human being already for a long time in the UK or anywhere else. I HOPE Solskjær DO NOT WANT TO SUGGEST THAT PAUL IS HIS PRISONER.

“But BEFORE Solskjær makes comments about things I say he should inform himself better about the context of what has been said. I am a free citizen who can think and express my thoughts. Until now I was maybe nice to him. Solskjær should just remember things that he said in the summer to Paul."


I don't disagree about Sessegnon, but if we dropped Aurier who would play right back?

Why are you quoting Paul Pogba's agents. He has nothing to do with Ndombele. I've heard all sorts about Ndombele his fat lazy has a ghetto attitude is disruptive etc etc. He is our record signing you're correct in saying that shouldn't matter if he plays or not but we're not Manchester United Juv or Real Madrid we are Tottenham Hotspur. We rarely buy the finished article...that is also an attraction for players to come to our club we build players up ie Modric Bale Son Kane Walker Alli. A lot has been said mostly negative about Ndombele but imo we haven't handled it well as a club at all. We've players in the team just as guilty and still playing.

 

[tiger666]

I really can't stand this lazy fucking nonsense.
A few points.

1, It's taken more than a few of the Premier leagues greatest imports more than a season to get up to speed in the English premier league yet people want to throw this kid under a bus already.

2, He is at a club that has sacked the manager and is frankly in on the pitch turmoil, who the fuck is going to thrive in an enviroment like that in their 1st season in the PL?

3, It's not fair to throw players into games after considerable spells out and then to castigate them when they are not up to speed, quite often it takes a run of games to get into the groove.

4, Wolves have run rings around us the last few seasons no matter who we've put on the field.

5, Against Burnley Mourinho clearly changed his shape at HT after getting it totally wrong in the first half and also had Skipp next to Ndombele.

6, He is not a CM in the mould of what Mourinho likes in his teams, just take a look through his past teams.

None of this accounts for the fact he can't be arsed. I don't blame any manager for not playing someone who doesn't put the effort in, no matter how talented. Also he's hardly a kid.

 

[JimmyG2]

Good, he should be communicating to help others pick the right pass. Context is important here. I think if N'dombele made the same effort of Sissoko he would be in the team. Though it has to be said they are very different players.

He's hiding.
He's afraid of receiving the ball unless he's completely clear
and then he often off-loads it as quickly as possible.
His strength is running with the ball but his final pass is often mis-directed.
Had a purple patch last year but has lost all confidence in his limited range of skills again.
Didn't anyone mention shooting? His shooting, not shooting him.

 

[C0YS]

It’s not that case though mate. Even when Toby has the ball and Sissoko is the right pass he hides and points to Aurier

I get the effort bit, but Sissoko is very hit and miss there. He often lets the runner run away from him and doesn’t track them into the box

Yeh he didn't track the runner for sheffield utd.

If the fullbacks are available, the CB's should pass to full backs normally. Fullbacks should be angled towards facing play in front of them (or looking across the line) and should have three passing options. To the CMs, who then adjust their body to face in front of them, or down the flank if space opens up. They can go back to the CB if under pressure.

A CM normally is facing towards the defenders as a possible passing option if under pressure or to free up space infront of another centre back. Similarly if there is space to turn into, but this a high risk manoeuvre, and can cause all sorts of bother. Most teams are more compact in the centre, unless the opposition team is playing very deep, or a CM drops deep to help create spaces further up the pitch/into the fullbacks midfielders should be playing between the opposition strikers, Holding midfielders often drop back. Sissoko is not a holding midfielder, when played with Winks, Winks is the number 6 of the team. The Midfielder normally comes into play when they are facing forward and can receive passes from the fullbacks.

CB's and fullbacks tend to get more of the ball than CMs. But it depends team by team. Interestingly, we are one of the exceptions. Our midfielders see a lot of the ball compared to our fullbacks. Sissoko for what it's work makes 30% more passes per 90 minutes than N'dombele and does it with a greater accuracy. It doesn't appear like he is hiding. this doesn't suggest he is hiding from the ball. He makes a lot of touches a game.

I think the finger pointing thing, which should be a positive because it suggests good communications, taken as a stick to beat a player with is just a bit silly and picky.

Sissoko, didn't track his marker against Sheffield. But there is a reason he is trusted to play and not N'dombele, and it's not because Sissoko has some sort of secret on Jose. There is also a reason why N'dombele has never finished an international match and has appeared in just one Euro qualifier, while Sissoko, since the start of 2019, is a regular starter, completing 90 minutes in every game he has started, and it is not to do with favouritism. Some of it is to do with team balance and some of it to do with dependability.

Sissoko, has problems, he is not a holding player, but he isn't really attacking either. I guess he's box to box? But while his runs are important most of the work he does is in the engine room, mainly by being a physical presence and supporting the fullbacks in getting the ball up the pitch, and covering for their forays forward (Something you need when you're playing Aurier), but 'hiding' is really not one of them.

 

[Albertbarich]

What's him being our record signing got to do with anything? We shouldn't be picking the team based on price tags. If he doesn't show what the manager wants to see in training and when he's given a chance then he won't get picked.



Pogba's played half a dozen good games since the restart. That's about all he's done this season. His agent has continued to be disruptive to United in the year and a half since Jose left:

“Paul is not mine and for sure not Solskjær’s property. Paul is Paul Pogba’s. You cannot own a human being already for a long time in the UK or anywhere else. I HOPE Solskjær DO NOT WANT TO SUGGEST THAT PAUL IS HIS PRISONER.

“But BEFORE Solskjær makes comments about things I say he should inform himself better about the context of what has been said. I am a free citizen who can think and express my thoughts. Until now I was maybe nice to him. Solskjær should just remember things that he said in the summer to Paul."


I don't disagree about Sessegnon, but if we dropped Aurier who would play right back?

Pogba has had issues but he seems to be on board now and him and fernandes are flying.

Re sess. Is ask dier to do a job at right back like he used to or when fit tanganga.

Not saying it should be permanent but having an alternative to the inconsistent aurier solution cant be a bad thing.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

People still excusing his poor outings against Wolves and Burnley?

 

[nailsy]

Why are you quoting Paul Pogba's agents. He has nothing to do with Ndombele. I've heard all sorts about Ndombele his fat lazy has a ghetto attitude is disruptive etc etc. He is our record signing you're correct in saying that shouldn't matter if he plays or not but we're not Manchester United Juv or Real Madrid we are Tottenham Hotspur. We rarely buy the finished article...that is also an attraction for players to come to our club we build players up ie Modric Bale Son Kane Walker Alli. A lot has been said mostly negative about Ndombele but imo we haven't handled it well as a club at all. We've players in the team just as guilty and still playing.

I quoted Pogba's agent to the guy talking about Pogba.

We don't always buy the finished article, but there are still certain levels that are expected by the manager. If he feels the player isn't committed enough, or isn't following his instructions then the player won't be picked.

I still think that he can come good, but we'll need to be patient.

 

[nailsy]

Pogba has had issues but he seems to be on board now and him and fernandes are flying.

Re sess. Is ask dier to do a job at right back like he used to or when fit tanganga.

Not saying it should be permanent but having an alternative to the inconsistent aurier solution cant be a bad thing.

Dier seems to to be first choice CB now though so we'd be disrupting multiple positions just to get Aurier out of the team. Tanganga could do a job there, but he's not available. I'm sure all this will be addressed in the next transfer window though. Jose's inherited a mess of a squad and he's trying to make the best of it at the moment.

Edit - It sounds like the Dier option is off the table now anyway.

 

[Albertbarich]

Dier seems to to be first choice CB now though so we'd be disrupting multiple positions just to get Aurier out of the team. Tanganga could do a job there, but he's not available. I'm sure all this will be addressed in the next transfer window though. Jose's inherited a mess of a squad and he's trying to make the best of it at the moment.

Edit - It sounds like the Dier option is off the table now anyway.

I cant get my head round why we loaned KWP out. When someone is inconsistent as aurier surely competition is good.

And yes now you cant move dier but I would never have made him first choice. We play so deep most of the time tobys lack of pace shouldn't be that much of an issue.

 

[Gilzeanking]

Jose's inherited a mess of a squad and he's trying to make the best of it at the moment.

True and this is exactly the opposite of what Jose said as he arrived at Spurs .

 

[HedgieSpur]

People still excusing his poor outings against Wolves and Burnley?

I don't think so. I suspect people aren't using them to curve fit a biased narrative that he's fat, lazy and..ahem..."ghetto"

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

True and this is exactly the opposite of what Jose said as he arrived at Spurs .

You're not going to walk through the doors of your new employee and shout: "All of my colleagues/subordinates are shit, get rid." on the first day, are you?

 

[Montalbano]

You're not going to walk through the doors of your new employee and shout: "All of my colleagues/subordinates are shit, get rid." on the first day, are you?

It has been done before.

 

[punkisback]

I think the whole squad have performed as bad as he has against Burnley and wolves. At the start of the season he was putting good numbers is passes and key passes I think that we just are performing badly all round.

 

[Albertbarich]

I think the whole squad have performed as bad as he has against Burnley and wolves. At the start of the season he was putting good numbers is passes and key passes I think that we just are performing badly all round.

Lo celso and tanganga apart I dont think any of the squad have done themselves any favours this season.

 

[midge]

Tanguy situation with Jose now is similar to Celso situation with Poch in his early days

 

[HedgieSpur]

I actually think it'll turn out fine. We either see a new revived Tanguy or we sell and buy someone else. Simples

 

[punkisback]

I actually think it'll turn out fine. We either see a new revived Tanguy or we sell and buy someone else. Simples

I hope he comes good; I can't see ourselves buying a talent like him! The most exciting technical player for me since Rafa.