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Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

SuperPav10

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It's such a shame because we need some creativity from deep, exactly what Ndombele would bring.
We do. One of the issues I noticed with Ndombele is that he was shying away from that with us, he wasn't showing for our CBs or to pick up the ball deep. He was turning his back, disappearing up the pitch and waiting for it to come to him (leaving Winksy in the lurch). That's why Lo Celso gets the game time, he drops back deep and shows for it.

(Can't remember the game but there was a Sky analysis of this earlier in the season I think?)
 

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We do. One of the issues I noticed with Ndombele is that he was shying away from that with us, he wasn't showing for our CBs or to pick up the ball deep. He was turning his back, disappearing up the pitch and waiting for it to come to him (leaving Winksy in the lurch). That's why Lo Celso gets the game time, he drops back deep and shows for it.

(Can't remember the game but there was a Sky analysis of this earlier in the season I think?)

It was Burnley.
 

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After his groin Injury i think.. His injury problem was back in december

He was carrying it until lockdown.

I just can't believe how quick some people are to write him off. Here's what I'd say, people have said that Jose needs time at spurs and shouldn't be wrote off after less than a season and hasn't had his opportunity to bed in, make signings and what not. Which is absolutely the correct attitude.

However people aren't willing to offer Ndombele the same courtesy? I mean Jose at the very least 6-8 seasons of premier league experience under his belt but we're not willing to afford a guy who has come from a vastly different background and league the same time in order to adapt? I think it's ridiculous, give the guy some time and I hope the manager does also.
 
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Metalhead

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If he's going to be left on the bench we better win. A manager whose side is losing with a hugely expensive signing left on the bench will soon find himself under a lot of pressure.
Yes but do you want a player getting picked and then half arsing it around the pitch? I’m not saying that he definitely would but if he gets picked and doesn’t play to his capabilities then it’s on the manager.
 

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Jack Pitt-Brooke seems to be under the allusion we would sell him. If we do, do it outright and use the finances to buy a Grealish or SMS. Think Grealish/ SMS in a midfield 3 with PEH and Lo Celso would be really effective.
 

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He was carrying it until lockdown.

I just can't believe how quick some people are to write him off. Here's what I'd say, people have said that Jose needs at spurs and shouldn't be wrote off after less than a season and hasn't had his opportunity to bed in, make signings and what not. Which is absolutely the correct attitude.

However people aren't willing to offer Ndombele the same courtesy? I mean Jose at the very least 6-8 seasons of premier league experience under his belt but we're not willing to afford a guy who has come from a vastly different background and league the same time in order to adapt? I think it's ridiculous, give the guy some time and I hope the manager does also.
Me too. I’m hoping that this is just psychology and by the time that he gets picked he will be busting a gut on the pitch.
 

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He was carrying it until lockdown.

I just can't believe how quick some people are to write him off. Here's what I'd say, people have said that Jose needs time at spurs and shouldn't be wrote off after less than a season and hasn't had his opportunity to bed in, make signings and what not. Which is absolutely the correct attitude.

However people aren't willing to offer Ndombele the same courtesy? I mean Jose at the very least 6-8 seasons of premier league experience under his belt but we're not willing to afford a guy who has come from a vastly different background and league the same time in order to adapt? I think it's ridiculous, give the guy some time and I hope the manager does also.

I think because at some point you have to judge the managers’ view on a player. I wouldn’t be surprised if we cashed in on him. I don’t think he’s got the appetite to be a success in England. If he’s not going to do it for us, then he’s not getting into any of the other top 6 starting XIs.

In recent years I cant think of any players we’ve willingly let go who have gone on to do well. The last being Defoe to Pompey and Kanoute to Sevilla perhaps.
 

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My point being is that no one is talking about Sissoko and here we are months later still mentioning the wolves clip.

I don’t think Sissoko should be starting games. There isn’t one clear area that he excels in. He did improve last year but we should be able to do a lot better. Maybe we don’t have better right now which is why we need to play him every game but for me he’s a sub that can come on and fill in across a few different positions.

That clip where he jogs back, letting the runner go is terrible. Mind you every possible aspect of defending for that goal was dreadful
 
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I don't think the issues with KDB and Salah (Lukaku too) were ever attitude. They left to further their careers due to lack of playing time. With hindsight you could argue that KDB especially was where Chelsea dropped the ball, as whilst Oscar deserved his starting role at the time he jumped to China a couple of years down the line, just as KDB was ripping it up in Germany.

Mo Salah was behind Eden Hazard and Willian, two quality players that have brought Chelsea numerous trophies since he left for Fiorentina.

Lukaku he even bought back when at Utd and got one great season out of him and is now ripping it up at Inter. Mourinho also gets stick over Martial but again often chose Rashford ahead of him, the same Rashford that is still a key player for England and Utd.

Pogba is the example to use, and until recently nice guy Ole was having issues with him too.

The frustrating thing is that at Spurs Ndombele has no proper competition yet is not able to be trusted in said position due to clear issues with fitness and implied issues with application (possibly due to injury and struggling to settle).

It all just feels like another stick to beat Jose with.

Edit - That said I do agree with @danielneeds post above about Mourinho needing to find a way accomodate him but and being sure if he can. That said the current plan on trying to solidify the defence could be part of Jose's plan to integrate him.

Re KDB there was a good article in the Athletic the other week on why he left Chelsea.
 

SuperPav10

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It was Burnley.
So it was! Carragher labelled him a disgrace... just re-watched it. Can't say I saw much difference in effort from his cameo against Sheffield Utd either.

So frustrating as he has the vision, feet, power and killer pass all in him.
 

arunspurs

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The fact he is not playing suggest more towards him leaving than staying . It will be a unfortunate loss of a incredible talent.
But I will take a Coutinho - Ndombele swap
 

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So it was! Carragher labelled him a disgrace... just re-watched it. Can't say I saw much difference in effort from his cameo against Sheffield Utd either.

So frustrating as he has the vision, feet, power and killer pass all in him.
If you watch Sissoko though he does the same thing the whole game. Always pointing at the player with the ball to pass it to someone else.
Watch Thursday and he’ll do it all game.
He’s in the Team because he can run
 

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If you watch Sissoko though he does the same thing the whole game. Always pointing at the player with the ball to pass it to someone else.
Watch Thursday and he’ll do it all game.
He’s in the Team because he can run
Good, he should be communicating to help others pick the right pass. Context is important here. I think if N'dombele made the same effort of Sissoko he would be in the team. Though it has to be said they are very different players.
 

feet01

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Good, he should be communicating to help others pick the right pass. Context is important here. I think if N'dombele made the same effort of Sissoko he would be in the team. Though it has to be said they are very different players.
It’s not that case though mate. Even when Toby has the ball and Sissoko is the right pass he hides and points to Aurier

I get the effort bit, but Sissoko is very hit and miss there. He often lets the runner run away from him and doesn’t track them into the box
 
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