Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

[Timberwolf]

As unpopular an opinion as it may be, and despite the fact that I personally don't want it to be true...

...perhaps he's just not good enough.

He's never played for an elite club, in an elite league for an elite manager before.

And now he's being asked to do so and appears to be failing.

It might just be as simple as that.

I think he's 100% good enough talent wise. Whether he succeeds is another matter and depends a lot on formation, team shape, attitude and his relationship with the manager.

I have full confidence that there are managers out there who would manage to get the best of out Tanguy, either by motivating him, coddling him or by building the team around him.

Jose clearly isn't one of those managers so Tanguy is going to have to really fight for his place in the team at Spurs.

If he fails here I'd be surprised if he doesn't end up a success at another big club, though.

 

[HedgieSpur]

As unpopular an opinion as it may be, and despite the fact that I personally don't want it to be true...

...perhaps he's just not good enough.

He's never played for an elite club, in an elite league for an elite manager before.

And now he's being asked to do so and appears to be failing.

It might just be as simple as that.

I agree with this. It really could be that simple and the way to find out whether we've pissed £55m on a dud would be to let him start having some minutes here and there on the pitch imo

 

[Cochise]

The french media really are a disruptive bunch when it comes to their players abroad. When Lloris first arrived we had constant rumours from over there about him not starting, then it was the lack of Champions League football, then they shut up.

 

[rajmak]

However, according to Julien Laurens, Mourinho has been taking jabs at Ndombele since he arrived at the club:

(Ndombele) has had enough of the constant criticism and taunts coming from his manager, either in private or publicly, which have happened since Mourinho replaced Mauricio Pochettino last November.

The straw that broke the camel’s back, however, appears to have come after Tottenham’s squad returned to training at the beginning of Project Restart. ESPN reveal:

Mourinho told the France international that he was still not ready to start and that he was not doing enough during sessions. However, Ndombele believes he is at 100% of his capacity.

 

[Timberwolf]

However, according to Julien Laurens, Mourinho has been taking jabs at Ndombele since he arrived at the club:

(Ndombele) has had enough of the constant criticism and taunts coming from his manager, either in private or publicly, which have happened since Mourinho replaced Mauricio Pochettino last November.

The straw that broke the camel’s back, however, appears to have come after Tottenham’s squad returned to training at the beginning of Project Restart. ESPN reveal:

Mourinho told the France international that he was still not ready to start and that he was not doing enough during sessions. However, Ndombele believes he is at 100% of his capacity.

Interesting. Laurens seems to be very well connected to French players in the UK too so I have no reason to doubt the veracity.

Jose does seem to have a vindictive streak in him. Hopefully he hasn't just made up his mind on Tanguy and completely written him off already.

 

[dtxspurs]

Interesting. Laurens seems to be very well connected to French players in the UK too so I have no reason to doubt the veracity.

Jose does seem to have a vindictive streak in him. Hopefully he hasn't just made up his mind on Tanguy and completely written him off already.

Ally Gold said that if Ndombele wasn't going to get minutes at West Ham his camp would be sending notes out to French reporters that he wasn't happy.

 

[DiVaio]

As unpopular an opinion as it may be, and despite the fact that I personally don't want it to be true...

...perhaps he's just not good enough.

He's never played for an elite club, in an elite league for an elite manager before.

What? He's good enough. Also he's only 23 and he played for Lyon who is 2nd biggest club in France(in top5 league itw)

 

[Snarfalicious]

Not sure what the hell Mourinho has to gain from this at this point. Even if he didn’t like him, he’s just diminishing his transfer value by making him out to be lazy, not giving him a look, etc. For a team with no money, not many valuable players we are willing to sell, and many needs, that’s superrrr dumb. And, if he’s Still trying to motivate him, that’s obviously not working with current methods.

We heard a lot about a “Changed Mourinho” when he joined, but this is another example of us just seeing some of the things that have plagued him in the past already coming to light. Silver lining is I guess he’s ahead of schedule so if it all goes to Hell, maybe we won’t have to wait it out for 3 years.

 

[HildoSpur]

Not sure what the hell Mourinho has to gain from this at this point. Even if he didn’t like him, he’s just diminishing his transfer value by making him out to be lazy, not giving him a look, etc. For a team with no money, not any sizable assets we are willing to sell, and many needs, that’s superrrr dumb. And, if he’s Still trying to motivate him, that’s obviously not working with current methods.

We heard a lot about a “Changed Mourinho” when he joined, but this is another example of us just seeing some of the things that have plagued him in the past already coming to light. Silver lining is I guess he’s ahead of schedule so if it all goes to Hell, maybe we won’t have to wait it out for 3 years.

So it's all Mourinho's fault that N'Dombele still probably can't play a full 90 mins? Ok.

 

[cjbyid]

However, according to Julien Laurens, Mourinho has been taking jabs at Ndombele since he arrived at the club:

(Ndombele) has had enough of the constant criticism and taunts coming from his manager, either in private or publicly, which have happened since Mourinho replaced Mauricio Pochettino last November.

The straw that broke the camel’s back, however, appears to have come after Tottenham’s squad returned to training at the beginning of Project Restart. ESPN reveal:

Mourinho told the France international that he was still not ready to start and that he was not doing enough during sessions. However, Ndombele believes he is at 100% of his capacity.

Hmmm interesting. I just can't see why he'd be even on the bench, could easily put Skipp on in instead.

 

[Snarfalicious]

So it's all Mourinho's fault that N'Dombele still probably can't play a full 90 mins? Ok.

No, no. Not at all (and I know you know that’s not exactly the point of my post). Not even giving him a chance to come on in a match to gain some match fitness, build up some more match video for potential suitors (because he tends to do fine when he plays)? I do think that’s on Mourinho. Ndombele definitely has a part to play in this, but Mourinho needs to obviously change the way he is managing him if he wants the best out of him. I just don’t think he’s willing to really do that.

 

[HildoSpur]

No, no. Not at all (and I know you know that’s not exactly the point of my post). Not even giving him a chance to come on in a match to gain some match fitness, build up some more match video for potential suitors (because he tends to do fine when he plays)? I do think that’s on Mourinho. Ndombele definitely has a part to play in this, but Mourinho needs to obviously change the way he is managing him if he wants the best out of him. I just don’t think he’s willing to really do that.

I think he will over the next few games though - the first two matches were so incredibly important because we simply had to not lose against Utd and win against WH after a period of terrible form - to do that Jose used the players he trusted to get the job done. I don't think he trusts N'Dombele just yet but I'd like to think he will give him some chances before the season is over for all the reasons you have said.

 

[DiVaio]

Interesting. Laurens seems to be very well connected to French players in the UK too so I have no reason to doubt the veracity.

Jose does seem to have a vindictive streak in him. Hopefully he hasn't just made up his mind on Tanguy and completely written him off already.

Last month he said that we are not interested in Luis Campos(which can't be true at all, even he said that after Mourinho's appointment) and he's likely to return to Monaco(didn't happen)

 

[Timberwolf]

Last month he said that we are not interested in Luis Campos(which can't be true at all, even he said that after Mourinho's appointment) and he's likely to return to Monaco(didn't happen)

I was just referring to his contact with players - he's on good personal terms with a number of the French international squad and seems well connected in that regard.

When it comes to clubs, maybe less so.

 

[he is you know!]

JJ confirming on twitter that the rumour is rubbish

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

Allegedly Ndombele found a spy camera that Jose planted in his fruit bowl after becoming suspicious of the fact that Jose knew he’d sat and ate an entire tub of Ben and Jerry’s the night before the United match.

Perverts. The lot of them

 

[double0]

These games were a perfect opportunity to get Ndombele match fitness up and running. Mourhino at times is far to stubborn and obvious in his actions. This probably will be another case of a wasted talent not given a fair chance.

 

[TC18]

However, according to Julien Laurens, Mourinho has been taking jabs at Ndombele since he arrived at the club:

(Ndombele) has had enough of the constant criticism and taunts coming from his manager, either in private or publicly, which have happened since Mourinho replaced Mauricio Pochettino last November.

The straw that broke the camel’s back, however, appears to have come after Tottenham’s squad returned to training at the beginning of Project Restart. ESPN reveal:

Mourinho told the France international that he was still not ready to start and that he was not doing enough during sessions. However, Ndombele believes he is at 100% of his capacity.

Mourinho has done this in the past with players to gain a reaction from them, he clearly thinks Ndombele has more to offer. In a way it’s a back handed compliment. Unfortunately in some players it doesn’t get the desired reaction.

I have to agree though, he needs minutes to be match fit.

 

[LeParisien]

He may need minutes and patience, and I continue to insist that I hope ultimately he gets them, but he has no divine right to it when he arrives in poor condition. It’s one thing struggling to adjust to a new league, I fully accept that as we’ve had enough lessons about players struggling first season then becoming top class. Modric, Son, Eriksen etc. It’s a very different thing to show up unfit. Being fit a prerequisite for any footballer at any level. My point isn’t that I’m unwilling to give Ndombele time to adapt, hell I’d take two seasons of inconsistent form if in season three he clicked and started running the show. My point is that, by not being in top condition when it comes to thing he has full control over, his stamina, his weight, his energy, he gave up his right to be given that chance as that is shameful for a £50m+ footballer earning between £5m-£10m per year. In fact, it’s shameful for a conference player earning £600 per week.

I want Ndombele to turn it around, I want the manager to trust him and I want him to be a lynchpin and a creative force for us, but if he never gets the chance to do so it’s his own fault for letting himself down in the first place. Most players don’t even need a second chance on this particular aspect, he does and I hope he gets it but he’s not entitled to it.

We’re going in circles now. I think he’s potentially great but understand why he’s not getting a look in, you think I hate him and don’t understand that players need time to adjust. It’s like we are speaking two different languages.

No, I don’t think you hate him. I haven’t said that. It’s clear you see he has talent.

You keep saying he showed up unfit. But that was 9 months ago through to about 5 months ago. He has worked well during confinement.

It’s not a question of deserving a second chance. He hasn’t cheated on his wife. You dont give up the right to play like it’s some moral privilege. That’s terrace talk not the realities of professional football.

Mourinho is a professional coach and he has one job - to deliver the best possible team on the pitch. Given our means and our squad, Ndombele is a key part of that.

The question is, how do you get the best out of him?

I think he needs more time on the pitch (even if it’s just 10 minutes) and some love.

You think Ndombele needs to work harder to earn that place. But he has been working hard according to Mourinho. And so he deserves a chance to play. There is nothing to suggest he is a Mario Balotelli.

The team would benefit from seeing him play like he did at Lyon. It is up to a highly paid coach to find that solution. I solve far more difficult human relations problems at work for a fraction of Mourinhos pay.

 

[NEVILLEB]

The great thing about football is that you can show everyone they are wrong on the pitch.
Sadly for Ndombele he didn’t take that chance before the lockdown and Mourinho has marked his card. All he needed to do is work hard so he’s only got himself to blame.

I’m still hopeful he can turn it round but this looks ominous.