Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

[HedgieSpur]

I think the bigger issue with TN is that he's doing very little "showing" for the ball, as the MNF analysis showed. He was hiding behind opposition players, so wasn't helping in any way to alleviate pressure on the defence by giving them an out.

Whether he plays as an 8 or a 10, the very least that you would expect from him is constant motion so that he is always finding space to make himself available.

In that respect, co.parison with Hoddle is way off the mark. Hoddle was always available, always looking for space to receive the ball. He was regarded as a luxury player because the English prerequisite for a midfielder, at that time, was a box to box workhorse like Bryan Robson or David Platt. Hoddle had work rate, just not that type of work rate.

At the moment, we are seeing very little work rate from Ndombele in order for him to be most effective at what he does best. It has nothing to do with applying an archetypal stigma to him, simply that he is not applying himself to be anywhere near as effective as he could and should be.

All fair points

 

[buckley]

For myself I find it offensive comparing Ndombele to Hoddle . If you compared him to taraabt you would be nearer the mark . Even then Taraabt was always fit to run about .

 

[HedgieSpur]

For myself I find it offensive comparing Ndombele to Hoddle . If you compared him to taraabt you would be nearer the mark . Even then Taraabt was always fit to run about .

You find it offensive, despite me writing "for the avoidance of doubt...."? Ok, well just a difference of perspective I guess.

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

I think the bigger issue with TN is that he's doing very little "showing" for the ball, as the MNF analysis showed. He was hiding behind opposition players, so wasn't helping in any way to alleviate pressure on the defence by giving them an out.

Whether he plays as an 8 or a 10, the very least that you would expect from him is constant motion so that he is always finding space to make himself available.

In that respect, co.parison with Hoddle is way off the mark. Hoddle was always available, always looking for space to receive the ball.

To be fair to pretty much every current player, Hoddle’s ability to be ‘available’ was slightly enhanced by his ability to receive the ball on either foot, at any pace, from any direction and have it under instant control. He didn’t really need to run much to be ‘available’, he just needed to be on the same pitch.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I really think we should refrain from using Hoddle as any kind of barometer in any respect. Pretty much every player currently playing in this league is a Seth Rogan to Hoddle’s Marlon Brando.

 

[bubble07]

Still training

 

[spursville]

Still training

That's good at his age but I can't see Hod getting a game.

 

[spurs mental]

This response is the archetypal response from people in this country and explains why so many fans struggle with certain types of players. Not every player has to run round like a headless chicken showing "passion" just to make you feel good.

The fact that you. think a half fit Lamela would be more effect as a 10 than Ndombele characterises your preference for players who APPEAr to be working hard, even if the end product is poor (Lamela) rather than a player who might actually player the killer through balls, shoot from the edge of the penalty area (as opposed to trying to walk it into the net, take on 5 players, only ever use 1 foot) and bring our wing forwards into play.

We all have certain styles/types of players that we like and I suspect a number of our fans see him as a "luxury player". He shouldnt worry though...that moniker was often levelled at Hoddle too (snd for the avoidance of doubt, Im not saying Ndombele is the new Hoddle)

So you're happy for us to defend like we are playing with 10 men every game because he might play a killer pass?

Also, please dont tell me what player I prefer just because of my thoughts on Ndombele right now. If you actually bothered to read my other posts you'd see that I think the guy has talent but right now that's not what we need.

We're playing really poorly and we need players who put effort in to work for their team mates. Lamela is that player. Ndombele isn't.

If he starts to show that he can be that type of player then he should play.

Also please don't put me in the same bracket as other archetypal responses from "people in this country". I'm Irish.

 

[Ionman34]

So you're happy for us to defend like we are playing with 10 men every game because he might play a killer pass?

Also, please dont tell me what player I prefer just because of my thoughts on Ndombele right now. If you actually bothered to read my other posts you'd see that I think the guy has talent but right now that's not what we need.

We're playing really poorly and we need players who put effort in to work for their team mates. Lamela is that player. Ndombele isn't.

If he starts to show that he can be that type of player then he should play.

Also please don't put me in the same bracket as other archetypal responses from "people in this country". I'm Irish.

Irish? IRISH?!?!

BURN HIM! BURN HIM WITH FIRE!!!

 

[HedgieSpur]

So you're happy for us to defend like we are playing with 10 men every game because he might play a killer pass?

Also, please dont tell me what player I prefer just because of my thoughts on Ndombele right now. If you actually bothered to read my other posts you'd see that I think the guy has talent but right now that's not what we need.

We're playing really poorly and we need players who put effort in to work for their team mates. Lamela is that player. Ndombele isn't.

If he starts to show that he can be that type of player then he should play.

Also please don't put me in the same bracket as other archetypal responses from "people in this country". I'm Irish.

You said you'd prefer a half fit Lamela to Ndombele. I disagree with that...for all Lamela's "effort" the quality of output is generally average...lots of badly timed tackles, running into players and being just generally predictable (given that he rarely uses his right foot).

Personally I don't believe Ndombele is solely the problem. I think that the way we have been set up is detracting away from the core abilities of our players. I'd personally play Ndombele as a 10 and utilise GLC and Fernandes as the runners in midfield. I think that would be a much more effective way of utilising Ndombele.

 

[WePlayWednesday]

Name the dubs please

Any name beginning with N’

 

[spurs mental]

You said you'd prefer a half fit Lamela to Ndombele. I disagree with that...for all Lamela's "effort" the quality of output is generally average...lots of badly timed tackles, running into players and being just generally predictable (given that he rarely uses his right foot).

Personally I don't believe Ndombele is solely the problem. I think that the way we have been set up is detracting away from the core abilities of our players. I'd personally play Ndombele as a 10 and utilise GLC and Fernandes as the runners in midfield. I think that would be a much more effective way of utilising Ndombele.

Ye I'd prefer someone who puts in effort and works for his teammates. Which is what we need right now. Not a passenger, which is what Ndombele is right now.

 

[Time for Heroes]

i hear N'Dombele is self isolating

In Greggs

Tanguy: Oo i loves me a Steak Slice

 

[handsomecake]

he better be as fit as a knackers dog by the time this virus fiasco is over

 

[wrd]

Good to see that despite no news, no matches to evaluate, no transfer information you've all managed to keep repeating yourself with the same dogshit in this thread.

 

[stevenqoz]

We bought a sports car with a Hillman Imp engine. Unfortunately, this brought problems to both Poch and Mourinho. Many of our fans (understandably) called for his inclusion throughout what has been a disappointing season. Both of these coaches would have experienced a 'moment' when they realised how compromised TN is as a player. This realisation distorted almost every team selection they made apart from when he was 'officially' injured. The reality has been he rarely lasts 90 minutes and even more rarely plays two games in a row. Due diligence in recruitment by those who should know better seems to have gone awry.

 

[Ionman34]

We bought a sports car with a Hillman Imp engine. Unfortunately, this brought problems to both Poch and Mourinho. Many of our fans (understandably) called for his inclusion throughout what has been a disappointing season. Both of these coaches would have experienced a 'moment' when they realised how compromised TN is as a player. This realisation distorted almost every team selection they made apart from when he was 'officially' injured. The reality has been he rarely lasts 90 minutes and even more rarely plays two games in a row. Due diligence in recruitment by those who should know better seems to have gone awry.

TBH, I couldn't care less if he can't last 90 minutes, as long as he's leaving everything on the pitch in the time he is on.

VDV couldn't manage 90 minutes either, but he'd do immense damage whilst he was on and work his socks off to do it.

 

[punkisback]

The Vitriol on here is amazing. I’m very sorry you’re going through a tough time but to come in here and give hate to one of our players is terrible. He’s not the prime minister nor the chancellor nor the taxman. I can’t believe that this thread is still going despite all that’s going on. It’s perpetuated into genuine hate for our player, false information about attitude and salary without any basis has been perpetuated and now taken as fact. There are far more influential people that we should be taking up grievances with than N’Dombele.

 

[Zippy1980]

The Vitriol on here is amazing. I’m very sorry you’re going through a tough time but to come in here and give hate to one of our players is terrible. He’s not the prime minister nor the chancellor nor the taxman. I can’t believe that this thread is still going despite all that’s going on. It’s perpetuated into genuine hate for our player, false information about attitude and salary without any basis has been perpetuated and now taken as fact. There are far more influential people that we should be taking up grievances with than N’Dombele.

Have you not watched any games he has played?

 

[fridgemagnet]

I think the bigger issue with TN is that he's doing very little "showing" for the ball, as the MNF analysis showed. He was hiding behind opposition players, so wasn't helping in any way to alleviate pressure on the defence by giving them an out.

Whether he plays as an 8 or a 10, the very least that you would expect from him is constant motion so that he is always finding space to make himself available.

In that respect, co.parison with Hoddle is way off the mark. Hoddle was always available, always looking for space to receive the ball. He was regarded as a luxury player because the English prerequisite for a midfielder, at that time, was a box to box workhorse like Bryan Robson or David Platt. Hoddle had work rate, just not that type of work rate.

At the moment, we are seeing very little work rate from Ndombele in order for him to be most effective at what he does best. It has nothing to do with applying an archetypal stigma to him, simply that he is not applying himself to be anywhere near as effective as he could and should be.

If Ndombele is hiding then Eriksen spent at least a season and a half hunkered down in fallout shelter most of the time, the better question is why a lot of our players chose to start hiding?
Let's not pretend this only happened when Ndombele signed, this was happening way before that. The entire midfield and CB's getting pulled all over the place to cover for poor and lazy FB's plus zero DM is where I'd stick a dirty great neon flashing arrow on any analysis video.

Another question would be if I can see that our FB's are a problem especially a certain RB and our opposition damned sure see it as they target it for over two seasons now then why the hell can Poch and José not clock it?

Personal opinion for a first season in the PL I think we'd have gotten more out of him playing him further forward.

Just my own opinion. By the way I'm not calling you out in particular I'm just responding to the MNF bit in bold catching my eye, I didn't watch it because Carragher is usually on and subtitles are broken on my TV.

Stay healthy ??