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Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

rez9000

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Ghost Hardware

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How do you know he has t already talked to him in private?
As I’ve said, new country, new language, new surroundings etc - none of that is an excuse for lack of effort
Hey may well of done, but talking about a player in his situation in public is still not good man management imo. And if he was showing no effort in training he shouldn't be picked to play. If this was his second full season then okay. Although I have an issue with it anyway. But all things considered I really don't think calling out new players in the press is a good thing.
 

rez9000

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Hey may well of done, but talking about a player in his situation in public is still not good man management imo. And if he was showing no effort in training he shouldn't be picked to play. If this was his second full season then okay. Although I have an issue with it anyway. But all things considered I really don't think calling out new players in the press is a good thing.
But it can work. Mourinho himself has publicly called out three players before and their performances have improved - Joe Cole, Hazard and Luke Shaw.

That, to me, suggests someone who knows precisely what they're doing and that his calling out of Ndombele is a deliberate sting to try and jolt him out of a laissez-faire attitude.
 

Riandor

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Yep.
Quality play ON the ball, but woeful off of it. Instant improvement 2nd half when Gio came back looking for the ball, wanted it all the time, always looking to be available. Sure not everything pans out, but in the Premier League you MUST be wanting to run or you're a luxury player. Only certain team set ups can handle that and right now we are being outfought by every team we come against becaus eof the willingness to press for 90 and not let up across the whole pitch.
 

ultimateloner

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JM wont waste his time on someone he doesn't think can improve the team.
Tanguy is in that bracket where he could but hasn't made a difference. It's not a bad thing.
This is partly why JM has a bad record with youth; he wouldn't even bet you an eyelid most of the time.
Tanguy's got a chance now, i hope he takes it.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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Overall I'm not in favour of Mourinho throwing a young player under the bus like this. However I will say he did have the opportunity to lamblast him over the viral video of him pitfully tracking the Wolves player and chose not to. So from Mourinho's point of view he must have got to the point where he feels he has protected the player enough but NDombele isn't repaying that trust by upping his performances so the last tactic is to call him out. I think it's dangerous territory as it might really send the player under and others in the squad might revolt against this but I can see why Mourinho has done it.
 

Cavehillspur

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Just gives the impression that he doesn't fancy it, very frustrating as hes shown glimpses of what he can do. Hopefully this kick starts him but if we see bugger all improvement then I think he'll be moving on in the not too distant...
 

homer hotspur

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Just gives the impression that he doesn't fancy it, very frustrating as hes shown glimpses of what he can do. Hopefully this kick starts him but if we see bugger all improvement then I think he'll be moving on in the not too distant...
Not going to recoup anything like the fee paid. No way DL would take a huge early loss on a player. He even tries to make a profit on players who are finished or totally unwanted. Could try for some sort of loan but then we would only be saving his wages( probably a proportion) so no funds to replace except for another loan.
Massive pity we missed out on Bruno Fernandes but this was probably due to eriksen transfer not happening in the summer as DL had anticipated.
I'd happily swap N'Dombele for Watford's Doucoure but then I'm not a top scout like we employ.
 

Spurs 1961

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JM wont waste his time on someone he doesn't think can improve the team.
Tanguy is in that bracket where he could but hasn't made a difference. It's not a bad thing.
This is partly why JM has a bad record with youth; he wouldn't even bet you an eyelid most of the time.
Tanguy's got a chance now, i hope he takes it.
Yep won’t waste his time with the likes of De Bruyne, Pogba, Shaw , Mata etc., knows a bad player when he sees one
 

Sp3akerboxxx

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0 sprints in 45 minutes is shameful.

Whatever reasons people want to give, not breaking out of a light jog for 45 minutes of a premier League football match should embarrass him as a person.

The hilarious thing is he made less sprints than his goalkeeper.
 

Push & Run

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Who knows what has been said in training, maybe Jose has wispered sweet nothings in his earhole, stroked both cheeks (will leave that to your imagination) offered him baths of milk and honey whilst saying 'I want YOU to have my babies'
Maybe he just said terrify the opposition by pouting as you mince by. I wonder whats for tea, oh no not more humble pie
 

ikky

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People giving him excuses such as: new league, new manager, new country and language, being injured etc etc. Well these circumstances are are exactly the same for Gio, Stevie ( although he speaks English ) and Gedson but the effort and application from them ( especially Gio ) compared to him couldn’t be more different.
 

InOffMeLeftShin

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0 sprints in 45 minutes is shameful.

Whatever reasons people want to give, not breaking out of a light jog for 45 minutes of a premier League football match should embarrass him as a person.

The hilarious thing is he made less sprints than his goalkeeper.

Didn’t need to sprint. Didn’t move outside of a pretty small area.

It was pretty interesting watching it back as I thought it would just be lack of effort when defending. But it’s not. He didn’t try to be part of the attack either. Even in the first minute he played a nice pass that set the move going and then didn’t join the attack. He actually could have got on the end of the move but didn’t. It was the same all afternoon.

His positional awareness and understanding of the game seems more worrying to me than the fitness. He can train and get fitter but is he ever going to learn movements and spacing and cadence of the game? Think that’s much harder to do.

I remember my old man telling me when I was younger that very few super talented players make good coaches. He reckoned it’s because the players who weren’t as gifted had to learn every other detail of the game just to make it as a player and they were then better prepared as a coach. I think Tanguy might just be in that boat but moving from lower standard of football. He could get by on pure talent and brilliance but didn’t learn so many fundamentals of the game. It now stands out like a sore thumb.

Not sure Mourinho should have called him out, definitely felt like some deflection from Jose for his poor first half setup. But we also don’t know what Jose asked of Ndombele. If he’d asked him to make sure he was the link from defence and he didn’t do it then it’s hard to question the criticism. He might have been better pulling him off after 30 minutes, claim a niggle and sea with it in house though.
 

Mr Pink

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If he had a history of this 'questionable fitness', or lack of appetite for the physical side of things what made our scouts feel he'd excel in the most physical league in the world!? Lol.

I mean, it feels like we don't do enough due diligence on the entire profile of the players we bring in.

Yes all transfers are risks, and Tanguy could well flourish next season but this lethargy doesn't inspire confidence.
 

Push & Run

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Didn’t need to sprint. Didn’t move outside of a pretty small area.

It was pretty interesting watching it back as I thought it would just be lack of effort when defending. But it’s not. He didn’t try to be part of the attack either. Even in the first minute he played a nice pass that set the move going and then didn’t join the attack. He actually could have got on the end of the move but didn’t. It was the same all afternoon.

His positional awareness and understanding of the game seems more worrying to me than the fitness. He can train and get fitter but is he ever going to learn movements and spacing and cadence of the game? Think that’s much harder to do.

I remember my old man telling me when I was younger that very few super talented players make good coaches. He reckoned it’s because the players who weren’t as gifted had to learn every other detail of the game just to make it as a player and they were then better prepared as a coach. I think Tanguy might just be in that boat but moving from lower standard of football. He could get by on pure talent and brilliance but didn’t learn so many fundamentals of the game. It now stands out like a sore thumb.

Not sure Mourinho should have called him out, definitely felt like some deflection from Jose for his poor first half setup. But we also don’t know what Jose asked of Ndombele. If he’d asked him to make sure he was the link from defence and he didn’t do it then it’s hard to question the criticism. He might have been better pulling him off after 30 minutes, claim a niggle and sea with it in house though.
In that case my missus could coach Brazil, her samba isn't bad but how would thdey rate cottage pie
 

Ionman34

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I'd love for us all to get behind him- he's immensely talented and even of he wasn't he's our player and we should support him through it imo. If it doesn't work out it doesn't work out. Look at how Sissoko turned it around.
Sissoko got pelters from the fans before he turned it around. His issue was confidence, not application.

Ndombele needs to do something now to give the fans a reason to get behind him. We love a tryer, so even if it isn't quite coming off for him, if we see the effort and application then he'll have the fans, and the manager, fully behind him.

Well, most of them at least.
 
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