Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

[fuzzylogic]

Until this whole

Obviously as you've pointed out I don't understand football.

Agreed football is a team game and one player got blamed publicly. Why not saying privately? If he felt so strongly about it.

There’s absolutely no chance that Jose has not made his feelings on the matter known. He’s done this privately, no way a manager of his ability hasn’t. He’s been quoted with the arms around yer shoulder routine. He’s now called him out as a last resort expecting a response

 

[double0]

Until this whole


There’s absolutely no chance that Jose has not made his feelings on the matter known. He’s done this privately, no way a manager of his ability hasn’t. He’s been quoted with the arms around yer shoulder routine. He’s now called him out as a last resort expecting a response

All very public isn't it. For you to know all this.

 

[fedupyid]

Mourinho has decided that NDombele is his scapegoat.
1. He is Spurs most expensive signing so a lot more is expected of him.
2. He does not fit Mourinho style of play

 

[olliec]

No, quite the contrary, if you push up the defensive line it allows the defence to work closer with the midfield and offer up a shorter passing game. Lo Celso, N'Dombele are two that can keep hold of the ball, though the latter has question marks over his determination/fitness whatever we perceive it to be. The point is we are already inviting the press onto us and not in midfield really as we are sitting so deep that the press is on our backline, so our midfield is even more confined and limited. If we moved away from a two in midfield and went with a 3, with one holding, then you have more options than what we have now. We could have gone with that today, but we played an abundance of central defenders, with two of them in unnatural positions and looked to them to provide a threat down the flanks, which let's be honest is bloody laughable.

Lo celso I would agree with but the verdict is still out for ndombele. I’ve seen him do some wonderful stuff under pressure though. My concern is if we push our defence line up and play the short game do we have anyone in midfield that can receive the ball under pressure with such little available on the ball? I’ve noticed we are prone lately to mis placing passes. Also with the high line when we play against teams with a bit of pace it only takes one ball over the top. However I know Burnley didn’t carry that threat today

 

[fuzzylogic]

All very public isn't it. For you to know all this.

All very public isn't it. For you to know all this.

Not really it’s a thing called common sense

 

[scat1620]

Yeah, I imagine that the post-match interview after yesterday's game was the first wind Ndombele got about Mourinho not being impressed with his performance, bet it came as a massive surprise to him.

 

[double0]

Not really it’s a thing called common sense

Nice one.

 

[fuzzylogic]

Nice one.

cheers man, nice to enlighten folk sometimes ?

 

[scat1620]

Not sure who's had the biggest 'mare in the past 24 hours: Ndombele, Mourinho (according to those that way inclined), or @double0.

 

[mrlilywhite]

Lo celso I would agree with but the verdict is still out for ndombele. I’ve seen him do some wonderful stuff under pressure though. My concern is if we push our defence line up and play the short game do we have anyone in midfield that can receive the ball under pressure with such little available on the ball? I’ve noticed we are prone lately to mis placing passes. Also with the high line when we play against teams with a bit of pace it only takes one ball over the top. However I know Burnley didn’t carry that threat today

You don't just have two lines, one high and one deep. You have various options to expand play from an attacking, control or defence perspective. A high line similar to one Poch used works well with a high press, but we're talking about control of possession. When pressure is put on a defensive deep line, then the percentage of ball control and retention goes down regardless and you give up premium control of the ball if the opposing team is pressing high & you are sitting deep. My overall point is we don't have to and shouldn't be sitting so deep against teams that don't really offer us a threat and tbh, Burnley didn't - we gave them the impetus to play a better game and they took it.

 

[Joely]

Interesting to see how this moves forward. Beginning to wonder if Mourinho will want to cut him completely loose in the summer. Approaching the last leg of the season and think Mourinho will be wanting to see something from him now until the end of the season after calling him out. If nothing really changes, wouldn't be surprised if Mourinho is reluctant to take him into next season.

Not really a fan of managers digging out players in public but Mourinho was put in a difficult position, especially after being asked specifically about that clip from the Wolves game in a press conference. Pressure is building with our current poor form and at the very least everyone will be expecting the players to put in a proper shift in during this time and that isn't happening with Ndombele so increases scrutiny, even more so with him being our record signing Maybe Mourinho feels he has tried the soft approach behind the scenes but it isn't working so hoping for a reaction from the player by calling him out in public.

On Ndombele himself, he has had a fairly sharp rise in his career and I'm just wondering whether he just lacks the maturity and mentality to deal with it all. He is still 23 (younger than Winks) and I don't think he is ready to take the responsibility of being one of our main men. From nearly being cast aside to the wilderness a few years ago, he found himself moving for a big fee, on a big wage and playing under one of the most successful, well renown managers in recent times. Gone from being a £2m punt for Lyon to a £55-60m player for us in the space of a couple of seasons..........with that the demands and expectations increase massively.

Couple that with playing in a new fast and physical league, a new culture and I wonder whether he is more the timid, reserved type and not the kind to throw himself into things and take the challenge on head on. Maybe he has exceeded his own expectations of what he'd achieve in terms of football and is content rather than thinking I've managed to get my foot in the door and now I can really push on and become one of the best players in the world, who knows.

On the pitch, he now knows he is going to be on the end of physical stuff in this league and mentally I don't think he is up for the challenge and looks like someone who'd rather avoid it all together. At this level, working hard off the ball and getting your foot in are basic prerequisites at this level and it's extremely difficult to incorporate a player into the team who isn't offering that......no longer a kickabout with your mates where you come alive with the ball at your feet but don't want to know when you don't have it.

With the Euros on the horizon, you would be thinking he would be eager to show what he can do on the pitch to make a case for a starting position in the France team but on the current showings, he looks a million miles away from getting into the squad let alone the team. Again, maybe mentally his content with what he has and it's not a priority for him. He has been blessed with incredible talent which is clear to see however that alone isn't enough to cut it at the highest level. Adel Taaarbt was also hugely talented to but ultimately became bit of a journeyman and would be a real shame he ended up following that same path.

 

[Joely]

Would also add, don't think today's starting formation really helped him. It's clear he isn't ready to have responsibility thrown on him and it was only him and a young Skipp who you'd say were our two proper CM's in the starting line up. Mourinho got that wrong, especially away to a tough, rugged team like Burnley and expecting a struggling Ndombele and a young, inexperienced Skipp to go there and mix it with them was odd.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Just sell him. Take a small loss, but sell him quickly with a small loss for funds that can be reinvested rather than going down the path of misery likes company. He is not a type of player for Mourinho.

 

[whitesocks]

Is this really acceptable for a 65m player? Jose has every right.

Ndombele was cleverly reducing the guys passing options by following him. Neto had no choice but to shoot in the end...

Anyone writing this guy off after a season is being rash. We went through this with Rose and Sissoko - players can turn things around in time.
But anyone thinking the guy is playing well is kidding themselves. If he does start playing well, this does not make you right all along. In fact it seems performance is irrelevant to how you appraise a player. Which is great for you but not very scientific.

 

[olliec]

Ndombele was cleverly reducing the guys passing options by following him. Neto had no choice but to shoot in the end...

Anyone writing this guy off after a season is being rash. We went through this with Rose and Sissoko - players can turn things around in time.
But anyone thinking the guy is playing well is kidding themselves. If he does start playing well, this does not make you right all along. In fact it seems performance is irrelevant to how you appraise a player. Which is great for you but not very scientific.

I’m not writing him off. I just don’t think he has the intensity for the PL. I really hope he proves me wrong because he’s very gifted and talented.

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

Written in July 2019. Houston, we have a problem.

an article about his youth, what's missing is the part where with the help of his family and dedication he changed his life around at 17 and become the star at the club. you're welcome

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

Obviously I don’t know the full story, but from what I can see, Jose is not handling the Ndombele situation well. He’s destroying his confidence, which is clearly low anyway, by humiliating him in public to excuse awful team performances, for which there are many culprits.

He’s done it before with Shaw and it didn’t work.

Don’t like the Parrott stuff either.

I have to disagree here, we watched the game and word for word he was right.

"We didn't have a midfield". Skipp played 120 mins and is a 19 year old kid who has played hardly any football. So he singled out Tanguy.

What is the point of caressing the players ego with the 'he needs time' or whatever.

This harking back to Shaw and Pogba is again true, lots of stories about Shaw off the pitch and recently about Parrott as well.

If the players are not pulling their weight, public or private I don't care. You need to have the right attitude as a minimum and Tanguy ain't got it.

Jose defended him earlier in the season when he chose not to play. We are not going to win shit with half assed players and if, as someone mentioned, he gets his agent on the blower, good luck to him at his next club.

But no club are going to buy him when he can't complete 90 minutes and strolls round the pitch like he doesn't care.

Jose was 100% right. Look at dier, he has had his time on the bench and come back stronger.

GLC, lamela, dier, Lucas and even Dele put their fucking soul into matches, how can we have Tanguy anywhere near those professionals.

Shape up or ship out. Needs a giant boot up his ass.

 

[cliff jones]

Jose sees what he needs to in training, so what will be will be. But on the evidence of yesterday’s game, the public criticism of Tanguy is totally unjustified.

Skipp was all over the place, and we were playing with a back 5 again. Tanguy had a couple of white shirts to aim at if trying to construct an attack. Amidst a forest of Burnley bodies. Alli lost what ball we had up top every single time.

I really don’t like this public singling out, scapegoating. Yet again his own formation and tactics were not working, and for many more and other reasons than Tanguys efforts to influence the game.

if he is forced out, someone who can play better replace him in the squad. Otherwise we’re back to where we have been for years.
Eriksen, then, GLC now, and no other creative midfielder in sight.

 

[Flashspur]

Is this really acceptable for a 65m player? Jose has every right.

Still running off the English breakfast innit. Give him a break you philistines.

 

[Flashspur]

My point is he doesn’t track back.

well does...at walking pace. I think he needs to play upfield off the striker.