Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

[Japhet]

I did mention that his problems were technically and not fitness or work rate related, whereas Ndombele's is the opposite in the fact that he is incredibly gifted technically, but lacks the work rate and ethic needed to push him forward.

I don't think this is enough evidence to write him off, I'd even argue as to say he deserves at least another season before we can start talking about him being a flop or bad signing.

I've always respected others opinions and you are all entitled to yours, I just have immense patience when it comes to things like this and I don't expect anyone else to think the way I do. That's the beauty of a forum, we can share opinions without needing to argue about it.

I'm certainly not writing him off. He has immense talent and potential but that won't buy him any favours from the fans if he carries on either not giving a shit or looking like he doesn't. It seems this has been a long running issue with him and he needs to snap out of it pretty quick if he wants to get anywhere and avoid the wrath of the supporters. He'll get time primarily because his current approach will have red flagged him to anybody who might have been interested. His attitude probably slipped under the radar in France to a degree but it will be in the biggest spotlight in world football in the EPL.

 

[CowInAComa]

The only thing that's missing at the moment, Time. He needs time.

And not to slag off Mourinho because I really do love him already, but he wrote off De Bruyne and look how that worked out. He is not faultless, and money isn't everything either. Let's see where we end up in a year's time.

He'll get time if only because his market value drops with every passing 20minute cameo. I'm not convinced that time is the missing ingredient personally. 6 months is plenty time to see some sign of life

I don't think there is any notion that Jose is writing him off or ostracising him though? He had simply been shit and unfit and not warranting any more game time.

No one wants any spurs player to fail.

 

[JakeCOYS]

Lo Celso at least puts 10 times the effort of Ndombele right now and lasts more than 20 minutes a game. He has probably become one of the first names on the team sheet every week.

He came back from a period of injury too, from a foreign league.

If Ndombele at least showed he was trying there wouldn't be this discussion but hes lazy and unfit and has shown zero desire to change his fitness problems throughout the season. Ye hes been injured himself but come on, you're new to the club, at least show you want to be here and work hard.

Still contributed more than Gio... I do admit he needs to sharpen up and work harder though..

 

[dudu]

Everyone saying he has been a flop, ok he might not be as fit as others (at the moment) He has 2 goals 2 assists in the Premier League compared to Lo Celso's zero. Give him a break, he will come good eventually...

Hopefully, but goals and assists don't maketh the player.

Its a team sport and currently he is more of a hindrance than a help. Same but opposite with Lamela.

If we could merge the two players abilities, we would have one hell of a constantly injured player on our hands.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Still contributed more than Gio... I do admit he needs to sharpen up and work harder though..

That's bloody good of you fella.

 

[Japhet]

Still contributed more than Gio... I do admit he needs to sharpen up and work harder though..

I presume that's based solely on goals and assist stats rather than actually watching what happens on the pitch. Lo Celso has been our best player for weeks now and has been working his nuts off.

 

[Typical Spurs]

I think most of you are forgetting how bad Sissoko was when we purchased him for 30 million quid, he was just as bad technically as Ndombele is fitness wise, to be honest at the time probably worse. He couldn't even manage short simple passes, nothing would go right for him.

Most of our fan base wrote him off within the first 6 months as nothing more than a squad filler with little to nothing to offer the team. Fast forward 3 years, and he wins the player's player of the year award. This coming from a player who HAD PL experience with Newcastle.

Dembele didn't set the world on fire when he joined from Fulham, another PL team, and he became one of the greatest midfielders we've ever had.

This instant gratification mentality on here is embarrassing, sometimes players hit the ground running and sometimes it takes a season or two to come to fruition. Give him some time to sort himself out, and we will reap the rewards.

You make a good point. Sissoko was absolutely terrible at first. He controlled the ball like it was a toblerone.

However, despite that, even from the beginning you could rely on him to run through a brick wall for his team mates. Despite his poor touches, skewed finishing and misplaced passes he has always put in a proper shift for his team mates, manager and us as fans.

If Ndombele was the same, I wouldn't be concerned, because with confidence your ability on the ball will improve - just like Sissoko.

The issue with Ndombele is an application issue. Desire, determination, will to win. I don't think you can teach that. I hope it's in him somewhere but we are not seeing that effort and have been on about for months. The Wolves clip has just massively highlighted it.

I'm not sentimental. We paid a shit ton of money for him. If he can't get fit, can't be arsed to tackle, properly track back or work off the ball I don't want see him play. Regardless of his talent on the ball.

 

[Danny1]

He is clearly supremely talented but the effort needs to improve. The good thing is that this can happen, if someone can shake him up a bit & make him realise just how good he can be then we have a seriously good player. It's way too early to cut our losses on a just turned 23 year old kid in his first half season of Premier League football.

Seems to be a bit systematic of this forum lately that everyone is going overboard about everything because things aren't as good as they were a couple of years ago. I've even seen people slating Son this side of Xmas for being greedy etc, yet he is/was having his best ever season for us in terms of goals & assists.

I have resigned myself that this season is a total loss, our only hope being the FA Cup, and am looking forward to next season with new players & a pre-season under Joses belt.

 

[swarvsta]

Quite amazing that the Football Manager 2020 database has Ndombele’s best attributes as:

Determination
Work rate
Strength

I know this is ‘just a game’. But FM is renowned for its accuracy of player attributes. These would have been decided by experts in the French league and also Lyon fans who can offer impartial opinion. That’s how they gain accuracy.


I also thought he was a determined and hard working type when I’d seen him before his Spurs days.

I think that in time when he finds his fitness and confidence we may see a new Ndombele still.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

Ndomebele is an absolutely class footballer.

Of course the extent of his success will come down to how much he wants it, but I still (personally) have no doubt he is going to be a wonderful footballer for us.

 

[CowInAComa]

Quite amazing that the Football Manager 2020 database has Ndombele’s best attributes as:

Determination
Work rate
Strength

I know this is ‘just a game’. But FM is renowned for its accuracy of player attributes. These would have been decided by experts in the French league and also Lyon fans who can offer impartial opinion. That’s how they gain accuracy.


I also thought he was a determined and hard working type when I’d seen him before his Spurs days.

I think that in time when he finds his fitness and confidence we may see a new Ndombele still.


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I've long suspected our scouts may be using FM for their scouting reports.

I would wait for the patch if I was you.

 

[CowInAComa]

Quite amazing that the Football Manager 2020 database has Ndombele’s best attributes as:

Determination
Work rate
Strength

I know this is ‘just a game’. But FM is renowned for its accuracy of player attributes. These would have been decided by experts in the French league and also Lyon fans who can offer impartial opinion. That’s how they gain accuracy.


I also thought he was a determined and hard working type when I’d seen him before his Spurs days.

I think that in time when he finds his fitness and confidence we may see a new Ndombele still.


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'hard working midfielder'.
Natural fitness 15.
Shit that's funny

You've doctored that screenshot you rascal.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Quite amazing that the Football Manager 2020 database has Ndombele’s best attributes as:

Determination
Work rate
Strength

I know this is ‘just a game’. But FM is renowned for its accuracy of player attributes. These would have been decided by experts in the French league and also Lyon fans who can offer impartial opinion. That’s how they gain accuracy.


I also thought he was a determined and hard working type when I’d seen him before his Spurs days.

I think that in time when he finds his fitness and confidence we may see a new Ndombele still.


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[HodisGawd]

Ndomebele is an absolutely class footballer.

Of course, the extent of his success will come down to how much he wants it, but I still (personally) have no doubt he is going to be a wonderful footballer for us.

I absolutely admire your positivity. But we are 7 months into the season and he can barely get out of the tunnel.

In cases like Sissoko and Lamela where they've taken a long time to get properly going I would agree (and I've defended both of them endlessly). But with Ndombele it's something different. Sissoko and Lamela never lacked desire and determination, Ndombele appears to have the worst work rate in a professional footballer I can remember. I can't think of another footballer so high-profile who's been this poor in that respect. And he cost £55m and 200k per week. He's fast becoming a liability rather than an asset.

 

[mpickard2087]

Everyone can see the potential talent, everyone hopes he can maximise this.

You can say give him time, but we've had 8 or 9 months now since pre-season of someone embarrassingly unfit, plus more and more glimpses of a lack of application and desire.

That deserves pelters whoever the player is, whatever they cost, whatever glimpses of talent they have shown, whatever they have done for the club previously, etc. He can turn it around next year, next month, next fucking week we hope, but that doesn't change this period of time that was completely unacceptable and the stick has been more than justified.

 

[Deleted member 29446]

Everyone can see the potential talent, everyone hopes he can maximise this.

You can say give him time, but we've had 8 or 9 months now since pre-season of someone embarrassingly unfit, plus more and more glimpses of a lack of application and desire.

That deserves pelters whoever the player is, whatever they cost, whatever glimpses of talent they have shown, whatever they have done for the club previously, etc. He can turn it around next year, next month, next fucking week we hope, but that doesn't change this period of time that was completely unacceptable and the stick has been more than justified.

Amen.

 

[Partizan]

Genuinely concerned.

Nah, you aren't

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Nah, you aren't

A bit. Didn’t seem normal.

 

[double0]

That video is damning.

Still hope he can turn it around but he is undoubtedly the biggest transfer flop of the season.

Season not over yet

 

[mpickard2087]

Saying all that though I am hoping for a big response tonight, if he gets a start. The guy has (quite rightly) been both hammered and ridiculed over the last few days, if that doesn't light a fire under you and get you going and determined to come out and show what you can do, then what will?