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Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

pedrodelawasp

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They were signed 6 months to late to save Pochettino’s job

In the initial post I quoted you specifically said in the summer, though.

I’m not trying to start an argument with you, not at all, but your posts aren’t really hanging together coherently. Are you generally making a point that Pochettino wasn’t allowed to shape the squad as he would have liked over a long period and that he may still be here if he had been?
 

Ronwol196061

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Cannot agree

We all want what’s best for Tottenham and most of us can see what a fantastic footballer Ndombele is

The problem is that he is not in shape. He is definitely carrying too many extra pounds and we are all extremely frustrated because we really really need him but we can see that he is just not up to it at the momen

Last night he came on for 30 mins. Did 2 or 3 amazing turns, a couple of mini dribbles and played 2 or 3 lovely little balls

We need more. He is capable of so much more. He should be showing for the ball whenever possible. Taking it off the back 4 whenever possible

This did not happen. He did not go looking for the ball when we were in possession nor did he do nearly enough when we didn’t have the ball

There were times when he was walking. I watched him closely the entire time

It’s not lazy rhetoric. As someone else said if he was able to last longer than 30mins then there is absolutely no doubt that Jose would want to give him more minutes

Lamelas tempo, energy was infectious when he came on at the same time. It gave the whole team a lift and the crowd

I’d have loved to have seen just a bit of that from Tanguy

I think it would be great for NDombele to be interviewed maybe not to tell all but to give everyone an inkling of how he thinks.It wont happen but would be interesting. Everybody,is making up their own narrative as to his situation projecting. I cant compare NDombele to Lamela even the energy as when Lamelas plays he has always had that particular style and when everybody else is so so,Lamela is pounding away. In this case they came onto the field the same time and Lamela did indeed show more energy for sure.
 

BringBack_leGin

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So this thread is now the ‘fuck Mourinho no wait fuck Pochettino on no I mean fuck levy yes fuck levy always fuck levy’ thread?

Got it :cautious:

Where do I go for the ‘let’s all be positive and look to the future as we have all the right ingredients in place’ thread?
 

southlondonyiddo

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So this thread is now the ‘fuck Mourinho no wait fuck Pochettino on no I mean fuck levy yes fuck levy always fuck levy’ thread?

Got it :cautious:

Where do I go for the ‘let’s all be positive and look to the future as we have all the right ingredients in place’ thread?

Ars Fan Tv?
 

Eric_s

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Our players like Sissoko, Vertonghen, Lamela, Eriksen, Ndombele and Aurier, just to name a few recent ones, have been subjected to a shit load of abuse, majority over the top and devoid of any reasonable grounds.
Yet the same shit fans expect to be respected by our players, and for the players especially key ones to show loyalty to the club. Yes the fans pay to follow the club, but you are not paying the players wages in full. Even if you are indeed paying for their wages, as human beings, if fans cannot show players the basic respect, regardless of how much they are paid, you have no rights to expect anything from them. When they sign their contracts, it does not include accepting verbal abuse from club fans.
If you can only bring yourself to openly support the players you like, then team sport is probably not something you should be investing your time and money on. Choose a sport like tennis.
 

Ronwol196061

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Our players like Sissoko, Vertonghen, Lamela, Eriksen, Ndombele and Aurier, just to name a few recent ones, have been subjected to a shit load of abuse, majority over the top and devoid of any reasonable grounds.
Yet the same shit fans expect to be respected by our players, and for the players especially key ones to show loyalty to the club. Yes the fans pay to follow the club, but you are not paying the players wages in full. Even if you are indeed paying for their wages, as human beings, if fans cannot show players the basic respect, regardless of how much they are paid, you have no rights to expect anything from them. When they sign their contracts, it does not include accepting verbal abuse from club fans.
If you can only bring yourself to openly support the players you like, then team sport is probably not something you should be investing your time and money on. Choose a sport like tennis.

Can you be critical but still constructive?
 

Eric_s

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If he did not have the cash to spend since Porto j
He would not be a success

Which manager that wins trophies, in the least 20 years, don't required significant investment in squad? Name me one in a competitive league and on the European stage.
 

guiltyparty

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Decent cameo, and seemed to have a bit more energy than recent outings, but collapsed to the floor for five minutes at the final whistle as if he’d just finished 120 minutes.

Interesting comment on the Athletic’s Spurs podcast that they’ve been watching him warming up on sidelines when he’s been sub and they’ve noticed a general lack of focus/intensity/professionalism.

They compared him to Jan, who was doing stretches, lunges, jogging patterns, serious eyes, professional, by the book warm up, while Ndombele was basically watching the game and doing no-look passing, and barely doing any exercises at all.

They caveated it with that the fans were loving it, and that’s why you pay your money, etc, but that from his demeanour and attitude they reckon this is an issue that will run and run.
 

stevenqoz

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Its amazing how little attention some fans have paid to our season 2019-20. We have been beset all season by the reality that many of our players have rarely been truly match fit. This was exactly the situation faced by Poch and Jose is treading the same path. Dier, Lo Celso, Dele, Davies, NDombele, Kane, Lamela, Winks, Sissoko, Aurier Son and Vertoghen have all been injured, many crucially from the start of the season. Those football manager players amongst us, called continually for players to be used who just weren't fit. NDombele is the prime example. Did he come from a jog trot league to the EPL? Did that competition tax him less physically? Are some of his problems also psychological, a modern day 'Ralph Coates' struggling to deal with the big club, big city syndrome. Mourinho has alluded to complex issues with the player. If he says the player only has 15 minutes in him we better believe it. In the medium term NDombele remains a wonderful prospect, his unorthodox balance literally throws opponents off. Few have doubts of what he might eventually offer. We all just need to pay attention to what is happening right now.
 

nicdic

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Interesting comment on the Athletic’s Spurs podcast that they’ve been watching him warming up on sidelines when he’s been sub and they’ve noticed a general lack of focus/intensity/professionalism.

They compared him to Jan, who was doing stretches, lunges, jogging patterns, serious eyes, professional, by the book warm up, while Ndombele was basically watching the game and doing no-look passing, and barely doing any exercises at all.

They caveated it with that the fans were loving it, and that’s why you pay your money, etc, but that from his demeanour and attitude they reckon this is an issue that will run and run.
I watched carefully as he came out to warm up yesterday, before the game, half time and on the sidelines in the second half. He does his super slow, perpetually falling jog whenever he’s going somewhere, and the intensity level is about a 2 out of 10. At half time he and Coco were just passing the ball to each other, but it was all so slow. He’d really labour a touch to control it, then pass it back and do the weird jog a little bit. The difference between them on the touch line warming up in the second half was what was really striking though. He was just ambling up and down, while Lamela really went through his paces.

it’s wel and good to attempt to read character and whatever else into this, but we also just don’t know. I’ve seen plenty other players approach warm ups like this, then play the game with more dynamism and intensity like he did on Wednesday night.
 

allatsea

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The great spurs supporters really behind their players and team NOT
It’s getting so I don’t want to read the threads in Spurs Chat as there are so many relentless negative, derogatory, player bashing posts. I thought this was a Spurs supporters forum but there is very little evidence of support going on.
 
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It’s getting so I don’t want to read the threads in Spurs Chat as there are so many relentless negative, derogatory, player bashing posts. I thought this was a Spurs supporters forum but there is very little evidence of support going on.
It's the edgy nature of folk today.

Hot takes from social media to writing in small boxes on comment sections, the more you can type to cause a stir, the greater the impact.

Positive thought is harder to accept for some, and their are some who prefer negativity as they can sit back and say I told you so. Balance is also something that is sorely lacking.

It'll be someone else next month.
 

ToDarrenIsToDo

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Interesting comment on the Athletic’s Spurs podcast that they’ve been watching him warming up on sidelines when he’s been sub and they’ve noticed a general lack of focus/intensity/professionalism.

They compared him to Jan, who was doing stretches, lunges, jogging patterns, serious eyes, professional, by the book warm up, while Ndombele was basically watching the game and doing no-look passing, and barely doing any exercises at all.

They caveated it with that the fans were loving it, and that’s why you pay your money, etc, but that from his demeanour and attitude they reckon this is an issue that will run and run.

I call bulls**t regarding that podcast then. We don't know how he's been instructed to warm up, if it's just someone seeing something because they're looking for it etc.

The more I hear about this Athletic the less I think of it. It was supposed to be a top class piece of journalism yet it continues to fall into sniggery, gossipy tabloid junk. Ask yourself this. If you'd read that in The Sun, what would your response have been?
 

Thewobbler

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Mourinho clearly would be playing him for longer if he was able to handle it. He can't.

This. The way mourinho set us up to play he needed players he felt could run themselves in to the ground for 65 mins and keep us in the game. Then bring on the players who could attack a tired team.

We all know Jose's style of football, he's not going to change because its won him countless trophies.
 
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