Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

[heelspurs]

Will never be fit enough for a poch system he’s not that type of player. He’s languid a bit like pogba.

Think he’s suited to a midfield 3.

He’s not disciplined enough to play in the 2 in a 4-2-3-1 but I think we should start using him as a 10

He is disciplined enough to play in a 2. He did it for the most part of 2 years at Lyon. Did he sit as much as Dembele did? No he didn't but then it Poch's job to convey his expectations. His partner was a straight DM in Tousart the first year and split between Tousart, Cheikh, and Aouar the second year. Those first 2 are DMs but Aouar is more like a GLC.

He did have a habit of not tracking a runner or 2 while there but if our scouting is what some say it is they should be familiar with this.
But he's no worse at it than any of our other MF options. And I think a bit of it was fitness and/or he could get away with it at Lyon.

He did get put at the 10 early in his first year in some of Genesio's peculiar lineups but his best position and the position where he naturally seemed to gravitate was deeper. He's an 8 not a 10.

 

[dontcallme]

I hope all you Poch Out guys realise that if Poch leaves so will your new favourite player Ndombele, he signed for us because Poch convinced him, he said that himself

Be careful what you wish for, that’s all I’m saying

What a baseless comment.

 

[dontcallme]

As down as we are right now due to performances we do have reason to be optimistic.

N'Dombele and Lo Celso with a defensive mid and Kane and Son in front of them could be lethal.

 

[Ronwol196061]

As down as we are right now due to performances we do have reason to be optimistic.

N'Dombele and Lo Celso with a defensive mid and Kane and Son in front of them could be lethal.

A defensive

Eriksen. Wow.

You know I always felt that about Eriksen.When it's there he does take it..or did...but when it didnt he can be as conservative as anyone..he gives teams always time to park the bus

 

[Ronwol196061]

This I agree with, HT Winks or Alli should have come off.

You and I agree on a lot of things mate. Im just confused by people claiming they can't possibly, for the life of them understand why Ndombele didn't start.

I understand and believe me I thought we should have started Ndombele but I tried to understand why Poch didnt. He played it tight.
But as I said he was too late making changes.
He sometimes is stuck I think. He isnt a creative manager...they are rare anyway

 

[dudu]

I understand and believe me I thought we should have started Ndombele but I tried to understand why Poch didnt. He played it tight.
But as I said he was too late making changes.
He sometimes is stuck I think. He isnt a creative manager...they are rare anyway

True.

The annoying thing is he can and has changed things before. Last year, same fixture.

 

[wirE]

Ndombele fascinates me quite a lot. He looks like this tall and "lanky" feller who looks to be struggling out there, but when he get's the ball at his feet, he races away, dribbling and shooting

When he came off the bench against Liverpool I was thinking to myself, 'he's not fit'

 

[Ronwol196061]

Ndombele fascinates me quite a lot. He looks like this tall and "lanky" feller who looks to be struggling out there, but when he get's the ball at his feet, he races away, dribbling and shooting

When he came off the bench against Liverpool I was thinking to myself, 'he's not fit'

Some people have amazing skill.Ndombele does. Not everyone can be everything.If they were they would all be Michel Jordans (mind you he couldn't play baseball)
Ndombele I think is led by his creativity. He senses where players are...he hits the ball instinctively same as he dribbling...he looks pushed by that.
He may find exersize boring. But making things happen is his forte.
Unleash the Beast!

 

[Ronwol196061]

True.

The annoying thing is he can and has changed things before. Last year, same fixture.

My mind doesn't go back that long Dudu, but he seems rigid with his changes,same time etc mostly managing the energy levels.
His choices vrs Liverpool was designed to defend with Eriksen and Dele guarding the lanes. Not a bad idea.
The early goal gave Poch licence to carry on but he changed only at his usual 60 minutes. Smacks of energy management when he needed to get us on the front foot earlier

 

[austinfh]

That booking was a farce. Ffs the ref.

Brace that Ndombele will play less and less this way the more he plays for us, once he settles long enough into the current-Poch way of possession-emphasising play.

Wtf is that idea based on? I don't think he'll change for anybody, he's obviously been bought because of his ability to break the lines. It's what we've called out for since Dembele's demise

 

[Ronwol196061]

Wtf is that idea based on? I don't think he'll change for anybody, he's obviously been bought because of his ability to break the lines. It's what we've called out for since Dembele's demise

How do we know that?

 

[Ronwol196061]

Wtf is that idea based on? I don't think he'll change for anybody, he's obviously been bought because of his ability to break the lines. It's what we've called out for since Dembele's demise

Poch may want to push forward but his security blanket of his system may hold him back.
I think Poch maybe like that
It may not help Ndombele
If you have a young horse you want to discipline him but you may hurt his spirit if you pull back too much.
Ndombele is a creative force,its precious and Poch should be careful

 

[wrd]

So we're now suggesting that the person who from the players own mouth was the deciding factor in joining us might be detrimental to said player.

 

[austinfh]

Poch may want to push forward but his security blanket of his system may hold him back.
I think Poch maybe like that
It may not help Ndombele
If you have a young horse you want to discipline him but you may hurt his spirit if you pull back too much.
Ndombele is a creative force,its precious and Poch should be careful

I'm not sure what you're trying to argue. Ndombele's skill set is multi faceted and very well developed, he is already able defensively and his passing/creativity is world-class. He's not going to suddenly become a defence first, conservative passing midfielder. Whenever he wins the ball back/is given the ball his instinct is always to look forward when possible, how the hell is Pochettino going to suddenly erase that from his game

 

[Ronwol196061]

I'm not sure what you're trying to argue. Ndombele's skill set is multi faceted and very well developed, he is already able defensively and his passing/creativity is world-class. He's not going to suddenly become a defence first, conservative passing midfielder. Whenever he wins the ball back/is given the ball his instinct is always to look forward when possible, how the hell is Pochettino going to suddenly erase that from his game

You read me wrong I think.I wasn't talking about him I was talking about Poch who might pull him back too much as he has done with others
The problem with Dembele was he never went forward enough.Was that him or Poch?

 

[austinfh]

You read me wrong I think.I wasn't talking about him I was talking about Poch who might pull him back too much as he has done with others
The problem with Dembele was he never went forward enough.Was that him or Poch?

I see, my bad sorry. I suppose that's a valid question, but Poch always said he'd wished he could have coached Dembele when he was much younger, as he now has the opportunity with Ndombele. I guess it's all speculation, but I'd say Dembele was misused/mis-coached before he came to Spurs, and Pochettino will aim to make Ndombele a much more complete midfielder. We can see proof of this by the fact he's scored 2 league goals for us already, after having only 3 league goals prior in his entire career. Spurs fans always said, if Dembele could score he'd be the complete midfielder. That's what Poch is doing with Ndombele

 

[wrd]

You read me wrong I think.I wasn't talking about him I was talking about Poch who might pull him back too much as he has done with others
The problem with Dembele was he never went forward enough.Was that him or Poch?

It was him, categorically it was him, it was something which was the case his entire Spurs career. Poch has been in charge of our highest goal scoring seasons, plural. This suggestion that Poch holds players back from showing their attacking prowess because he wants defensive stability is far fetched. He was the one who wanted Ndombele, he's not going to neuter his attacking prowess.

 

[Ronwol196061]

It was him, categorically it was him, it was something which was the case his entire Spurs career. Poch has been in charge of our highest goal scoring seasons, plural. This suggestion that Poch holds players back from showing their attacking prowess because he wants defensive stability is far fetched. He was the one who wanted Ndombele, he's not going to neuter his attacking prowess.

I'm open let's see.
It's hard to know who does what.
I'm sure he wanted Ndombele for his attacking prowess but all players at Tottenham are also defenders
It sometimes comes at a price. I mean look at Winks could he be a better CM than a DM?
He hasn't been tried. What about Skipp.
Our counter was our game...more than anything else attacking.
I think Poch really wanted to put us on the front foot but can he transition into that?
Let's see

 

[wrd]

I'm open let's see.
It's hard to know who does what.
I'm sure he wanted Ndombele for his attacking prowess but all players at Tottenham are also defenders
It sometimes comes at a price. I mean look at Winks could he be a better CM than a DM?
He hasn't been tried. What about Skipp.
Our counter was our game...more than anything else attacking.
I think Poch really wanted to put us on the front foot but can he transition into that?
Let's see

Alright let's see but suggestions saying Poch is detrimental to Ndombele which has no foundation isn't a wait and see attitude. Poch is getting a lot wrong at the moment let's not add suggestions with no basis into the mix.

 

[austinfh]

I'm open let's see.
It's hard to know who does what.
I'm sure he wanted Ndombele for his attacking prowess but all players at Tottenham are also defenders
It sometimes comes at a price. I mean look at Winks could he be a better CM than a DM?
He hasn't been tried. What about Skipp.
Our counter was our game...more than anything else attacking.
I think Poch really wanted to put us on the front foot but can he transition into that?
Let's see

All of our players attack and defend, yes, and Ndombele already does that very effectively