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Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

Klinsmannic

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Moreso than Wanyama and Dembélé?

Yes, in my view Dembele was the best dribbler in the PL, certainly the best central midfield dribbler, and could retain possession and in many cases turn defense into an attack on his own. His passing was also pretty decent tbh. He and Wanyama were the perfect 2 in a 4231 imo.

I rate Hojbjerg and Brozovic, but they seem to be too similar imo.
 

TheAmerican

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Aug 30, 2012
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My main concern is our scouts! Yes he has all the talent in the world but surely the scouts noticed his lack of fitness and motivation I mean he is our record signing you’d expect extensive scouting to notice these things.
He would likely have been unattainable if there were no question marks around him.
 

TPdYID

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Yes, in my view Dembele was the best dribbler in the PL, certainly the best central midfield dribbler, and could retain possession and in many cases turn defense into an attack on his own. His passing was also pretty decent tbh. He and Wanyama were the perfect 2 in a 4231 imo.

I rate Hojbjerg and Brozovic, but they seem to be too similar imo.
Dembele put simply was “press resistant”. Pointless applying pressure anywhere near the middle third as he would hand-off anywhere within an arms length of him.

Can still remember a young Jordan Henderson attempt to press the moose and he got thrown about like a rag-doll.

A thing of beauty. Needed an Attenborough voice over to really do it justice. It was like a limp, lifeless gazelle squaring up to a bison.

God I miss Moussa Dembele. A true one-off!
 

Who’s our next manager?

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I think utilizing differently, brozovic has the ability to play box to box, number 8 role perfectly ... He is good passer of the ball, his passing range is actually top class, on top of that he can run all day long ... So it might depend on how mourinho wants to use him

Brozovic is 28. If we needed a replacement for Ndombele forget the swap,just sell him to them.We can then give Lamela back to Roma plus money for Lorenzo Pellegrini.
 
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topper

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Dembele put simply was “press resistant”. Pointless applying pressure anywhere near the middle third as he would hand-off anywhere within an arms length of him.

Can still remember a young Jordan Henderson attempt to press the moose and he got thrown about like a rag-doll.

A thing of beauty. Needed an Attenborough voice over to really do it justice. It was like a limp, lifeless gazelle squaring up to a bison.

God I miss Moussa Dembele. A true one-off!
Agree but you knew the writing was on the wall when he couldn’t get past the press in the FA Cup Semi - Final against Jose’s Utd ironically
 

jay2040

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Jose has earned enough credit to make the call for me whilst TN has not shown enough to convince me he should definitely stay. Either way exciting times ahead..
 

walworthyid

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Dembele put simply was “press resistant”. Pointless applying pressure anywhere near the middle third as he would hand-off anywhere within an arms length of him.

Can still remember a young Jordan Henderson attempt to press the moose and he got thrown about like a rag-doll.

A thing of beauty. Needed an Attenborough voice over to really do it justice. It was like a limp, lifeless gazelle squaring up to a bison.

God I miss Moussa Dembele. A true one-off!
He really was press resistant. I watched numerous games where teams would simply give up trying to press him after the first 10 minutes. There was no other player in the prem like it, in fact there still isn't.

Not only that but he could just walk past an opponent like he wasn't there. If he had the "next pass" after beating a player he would have been among the best cm in the world.

He has proven to be irreplaceable.
 

yankspurs

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Aug 22, 2013
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Jose has earned enough credit to make the call for me whilst TN has not shown enough to convince me he should definitely stay. Either way exciting times ahead..
With uber talented young players? Im not so sure. De Bruyne and Salah are world class and he loaned then sold them off as quickly as he got them.
 

BringBack_leGin

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With uber talented young players? Im not so sure. De Bruyne and Salah are world class and he loaned then sold them off as quickly as he got them.
It’s pretty well established that when Mourinho returned to Chelsea, De Bruyne had just had a great loan at Werder and wanted to make it permanent. Mourinho said no, that he needed him, and De Bruyne started the season in the side, but didn’t do much and once he was dropped he was unable to get his place back ahead of Hazard, Lampard, Willian, Schürrle, Oscar and Mata (who also left in January). Mourinho wanted to keep him but made it clear that De Bruyne would have to prove he deserved to play ahead of the others, and De Bruyne asked to leave as he wanted to be first choice there and then.

Off the back of these sales, Mourinho pushed for Salah specifically to be bought to replenish the stocks in creative positions, that same January. The plan was for the young winger who’d lit up the Swiss league to come in, learn, develop and push to become first choice. However, the start of the next season (in which Chelsea won the 14/15 title, which vindicates any decisions) he barely featured ahead of Fàbregas, Hazard, Oscar, and Willian so was given a loan in the January 15 transfer window to Fiorentina, where he did well. He was meant to stay for 18 months till summer 16, but Roma batted their eyelids at him so he refused to go back to Fiorentina and Chelsea obliged his wishes to see out his Italy stint in Rome. By the time that loan ended, Mourinho had been sacked after a poor start to 15/16 and Salah was allowed to join Roma permanently.

Both Salah and De Bruyne were in their twenties and established internationals by the time Mourinho got hold of them. They were just behind players who were at that point better than them and were not willing to wait for the opportunity. History shows they were right not to wait given how their respective careers have evolved, but the 14/15 League and League Cup success vindicates Mourinho’s preference to play other players, two of whom, Oscar and Hazard, were the same age and find themselves very much amidst the many examples of Uber talented young players who, by buying into Mourinho’s demands, excelled under his management.
 
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fishhhandaricecake

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It’s pretty well established that when Mourinho returned to Chelsea, De Bruyne had just had a great loan at Werder and wanted to make it permanent. Mourinho said no, that he needed him, and De Bruyne started the season in the side, but didn’t do much and once he was dropped he was unable to get his place back ahead of Hazard, Lampard, Willian, Schürrle, Oscar and Mata (who also left in January). Mourinho wanted to keep him but made it clear that De Bruyne would have to prove he deserved to play ahead of the others, and De Bruyne asked to leave as he wanted to be first choice there and then.

Off the back of these sales, Mourinho pushed for Salah specifically to be bought to replenish the stocks in creative positions, that same January. The plan was for the young winger who’d lit up the Swiss league to come in, learn, develop and push to become first choice. However, the start of the next season (in which Chelsea won the 14/15 title, which vindicates any decisions) he barely featured ahead of Fàbregas, Hazard, Oscar, and Willian so was given a loan in the January 15 transfer window to Fiorentina, where he did well. He was meant to stay for 18 months till summer 16, but Roma batted their eyelids at him so he refused to go back to Fiorentina and Chelsea obliged his wishes to see out his Italy stint in Rome. By the time that loan ended, Mourinho had been sacked after a poor start to 15/16 and Salah was allowed to join Roma permanently.

Both Salah and De Bruyne were in their twenties and established internationals by the time Mourinho got hold of them. They were just behind players who were at that point better than them and were not willing to wait for the opportunity. History shows they were right not to wait given how their respective careers have evolved, but the 14/15 League and League Cup success vindicates Mourinho’s preference to play other players, two of whom, Oscar and Hazard, were the same age and find themselves very much amidst the many examples of Uber talented young players who, by buying into Mourinho’s demands, excelled under his management.
Great post all very true and good points
 

CornerPinDreamer

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Aug 20, 2013
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Jose has earned enough credit to make the call for me whilst TN has not shown enough to convince me he should definitely stay. Either way exciting times ahead..

I’d keep Tanguy and dump Jose but thats just the ‘De Bruyne, Salah, Pogba’ admirer in me talking,
 

Tucker

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With uber talented young players? Im not so sure. De Bruyne and Salah are world class and he loaned then sold them off as quickly as he got them.

So sick of seeing this agenda driven, lazy bullshit spouted every time someone wants to put the boot into Mourinho. As BBLG said, it’s just not true.
 

Ronwol196061

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I don't know if this story has been mentioned......This could be a big plus for Tanguy Ndombele


I agree a 1000%
Ndombele is a creative sort,a bit eccentric and his main asset is a vision and a great pass.With Hojbjerg behind him and Lo Celso working with him we will be a great force.Of course he is temperamental but we must try him for one season as it could mean big success I think
 

THFCSPURS19

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aussiespursguy

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It’s pretty well established that when Mourinho returned to Chelsea, De Bruyne had just had a great loan at Werder and wanted to make it permanent. Mourinho said no, that he needed him, and De Bruyne started the season in the side, but didn’t do much and once he was dropped he was unable to get his place back ahead of Hazard, Lampard, Willian, Schürrle, Oscar and Mata (who also left in January). Mourinho wanted to keep him but made it clear that De Bruyne would have to prove he deserved to play ahead of the others, and De Bruyne asked to leave as he wanted to be first choice there and then.

Off the back of these sales, Mourinho pushed for Salah specifically to be bought to replenish the stocks in creative positions, that same January. The plan was for the young winger who’d lit up the Swiss league to come in, learn, develop and push to become first choice. However, the start of the next season (in which Chelsea won the 14/15 title, which vindicates any decisions) he barely featured ahead of Fàbregas, Hazard, Oscar, and Willian so was given a loan in the January 15 transfer window to Fiorentina, where he did well. He was meant to stay for 18 months till summer 16, but Roma batted their eyelids at him so he refused to go back to Fiorentina and Chelsea obliged his wishes to see out his Italy stint in Rome. By the time that loan ended, Mourinho had been sacked after a poor start to 15/16 and Salah was allowed to join Roma permanently.

Both Salah and De Bruyne were in their twenties and established internationals by the time Mourinho got hold of them. They were just behind players who were at that point better than them and were not willing to wait for the opportunity. History shows they were right not to wait given how their respective careers have evolved, but the 14/15 League and League Cup success vindicates Mourinho’s preference to play other players, two of whom, Oscar and Hazard, were the same age and find themselves very much amidst the many examples of Uber talented young players who, by buying into Mourinho’s demands, excelled under his management.
I feel filthy agreeing with you! I was not a fan of the appointment but have accepted it and moved on. Go Jose!
 
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