Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

[fishhhandaricecake]

Surely Tanguy is done. Our record signing can't even hold down sub minutes. If it raises enough cash to get a good RB and DM, i really don't care at this point.

Shame, he has special talent, but that's worthless without work ethic.

Agree, shame but if selling him is for the greater good then lets cut our losses if its just not the right fit all round. Clearly a talented boy but mabye just not settling in or enjoying London etc.

 

[Ronwol196061]

I used to work in finance. Alot of the 'seasoned' traders have that type of mentality (Mourinho one). They think if you can climb out of the hole they created it is resilience, if not then you lack grit.

I don't know if it's the right thing to do. However Martial for example has positive to say (since he passed the test) so he kind of 'forever wears a badge of honor'.

Maybe it's a male alpha thing.

I get it.The creative brain and the engineering brain are different and it's very rare... And genius to have both

 

[richard_gleeson]

Let's offer man utd £60m for Fernandes to replace Ndombele, maybe they'll accept? ?

 

[GLC10]

Mourinho doesn't like this kind of player, he needs everyone to run and then have brains to play. Lo Celso is soon going to go to the bank.

 

[ILS]

I wouldn’t worry about tanguy not coming on in this match. Was never gonna come on, especially when we went 2-1 up and needed someone disciplined and aware defensively. Based on the Bournemouth match, he def deserves more playing time, Newcastle is a perfect match for him to start with them most likely sitting back.

Your record signing shouldn't be a player that can only be trusted in certain situations. He should be played every week not matter what the tactics are.

Jose does not trust him and for a boss like Jose that is a big problem. I think it will all end in the summer.

 

[ultimateloner]

I get it.The creative brain and the engineering brain are different and it's very rare... And genius to have both

Yep and these two things dont go well with each other. The 'analytical' types dont have the patience to listen to the creative types especially in stressful situations/environments.

I can see Mourinho dismissing away these types. The players who have blossomed under him (or have good words to say about him) all have similar personality traits (or at least their public persona): CR, Drogba, Ibrahimovic etc

 

[LeParisien]

Yep and these two things dont go well with each other. The 'analytical' types dont have the patience to listen to the creative types especially in stressful situations/environments.

I can see Mourinho dismissing away these types. The players who have blossomed under him (or have good words to say about him) all have similar personality traits (or at least their public persona): CR, Drogba, Ibrahimovic etc

Finally some good chat in here. Thanks

 

[Cochise]

We needed to keep a good defensive shape, have energy on the wings and a clinical counter. N'Dombele wasn't chosen because he didn't fit any of those roles. He has to be used in games where we come up against teams doing what we did today, but where we are the defensive side he hasn't earned the trust yet.

 

[glacierSpurs]

TBH, the way he tries to run, even if he's trusted by the gaffer, he won't be adored by the fans in time to come. There is a reason why even Steffen Freud can be so loved by the fans even if he is not that great a player.

He is a luxury player, and we just could not afford to have one in the current set up and performance.

 

[Ronwol196061]

Yep and these two things dont go well with each other. The 'analytical' types dont have the patience to listen to the creative types especially in stressful situations/environments.

I can see Mourinho dismissing away these types. The players who have blossomed under him (or have good words to say about him) all have similar personality traits (or at least their public persona): CR, Drogba, Ibrahimovic etc

I agree with that. Its understandable.One spends his time inside the box and the other outside the box but if the inside the box its not working,,the outside the box is a good idea. Plus its more interesting (albeit the converse can be chaos!)
Good post!

 

[ultimateloner]

I agree with that. Its understandable.One spends his time inside the box and the other outside the box but if the inside the box its not working,,the outside the box is a good idea. Plus its more interesting (albeit the converse can be chaos!)
Good post!

Yep and this is why I think Mourinho is a good appointment for us. He is an experienced, safe pair of hands who will steady the ship while we go through covid and the new stadium. I think along the way we will ruin the legs of our current crop of players (and this is why i wont harbour ill will for Kane if he moves on from us to actually win something).

I dont think we should expect any dramatic changes on the field. I dont think we will be a CL side under him, because I can't see us breaking the bank to bring someone in who will make a difference. Basically I think we are going to walk the Arsenal's footsteps but hopefully without the Ozil baggage..

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Best role for him today would’ve been off the left, pulling their right hand side out of shape and playing balls through for Son, as Lucas played. Thing is, Lucas work rate and protection of Davies would never have been replicated by Ndombele.

 

[Young Nasty Man]

The lack of success from this player disappoints me. There is talent in there and lord knows if he goes to another league, he’ll be a tremendous asset. A big part of me thinks we’re giving up to early and haven’t given him enough minutes to find his feet. One thing that worries me is Mourinho not with young players, but with Millenials and Gen Z (which I guess is kind of the same thing). He is the type of manager that expects you to be smart, hard working, and physical. To get that out of players of this generation requires mentorship but also coddling a player. As a millennial, I’ve seen this be an issue with a lot of folks of my generation. These survival of the fittest managers don’t do as good as a job integrating this generation and you see it over time. This may be one of the things poch did best: get players to play 110% by showing belief in them who were young.

I know this player hasn’t done the minutes of running required, I just feel that this is going to be one we are kicking ourselves about. I could be wrong, just feel that this is indicative of this player not being given the time to find his feet and integrate.

 

[ikky]

I’d be very surprised if he’s here next season. I think he’ll be sold or swapped to get more Jose type players.

 

[emiley heskey]

I dont think we should expect any dramatic changes on the field. I dont think we will be a CL side under him, because I can't see us breaking the bank to bring someone in who will make a difference. Basically I think we are going to walk the Arsenal's footsteps but hopefully without the Ozil baggage..

Ndombele says hi

 

[ultimateloner]

Ndombele says hi

Nah i disagree. He's not proven to have failed yet. Besides he has nowhere the type of influence Ozil has in the club and the dressing room.
Ozil is a special case. In his prime Ozil was the face of Arsenal and one of the best AMs in PL's history.
Him and Sanchez are the most important Arsenal player post-Henry..so the last 10 years.
Also Ozil is connected to Erdogan..

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Nah i disagree. He's not proven to have failed yet. Besides he has nowhere the type of influence Ozil has in the club and the dressing room.
Ozil is a special case. In his prime Ozil was the face of Arsenal and one of the best AMs in PL's history.
Him and Sanchez are the most important Arsenal player post-Henry..so the last 10 years.
Also Ozil is connected to Erdogan..

One of the best AMs in PL history? Not in a million years. He has a great year in Madrid and one very good year for Arsenal where everything went through him, but his output for Arsenal in the league is short of both Dele and Eriksen who each cost a fraction of the price. You’d not call either of them one of the best AMs in PL history would you?

 

[emiley heskey]

Nah i disagree. He's not proven to have failed yet. Besides he has nowhere the type of influence Ozil has in the club and the dressing room.
Ozil is a special case. In his prime Ozil was the face of Arsenal and one of the best AMs in PL's history.
Him and Sanchez are the most important Arsenal player post-Henry..so the last 10 years.
Also Ozil is connected to Erdogan..

When was the last time ozil actually had an outstanding year?

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Your record signing shouldn't be a player that can only be trusted in certain situations. He should be played every week not matter what the tactics are.

Jose does not trust him and for a boss like Jose that is a big problem. I think it will all end in the summer.

Also as much as Jose wants results now, he's trying to build momentum for next season so if Ndombele was part of his plans he'd be getting played unless still underlying injury issues but reading between the lines its his mentality and attitude that are the problem and/or he's just not settled in and wants to go back home to france which is fair enough if so.

I'd be very open to moving him early doors in the window if it opens up funds for say Aarons and Hoyberg or another DM.

 

[emiley heskey]

Also as much as Jose wants results now, he's trying to build momentum for next season so if Ndombele was part of his plans he'd be getting played unless still underlying injury issues but reading between the lines its his mentality and attitude that are the problem and/or he's just not settled in and wants to go back home to france which is fair enough if so.

I'd be very open to moving him early doors in the window if it opens up funds for say Aarons and Hoyberg or another DM.

Our dm money will come from the sell of kwp ... If Ndombele is sold, we will buy or loan another cm of his reputation ...