Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

[ajspurs]

NDombele has been marginalized by Mourinho. Hopefully it will change to the better but up to now he has pushed ND to the back. I think for NDombele to work the best we need to develop partnerships and understanding between players to create a flow to goal. NDombele is the key,he has the eye for a pass immediately when he gets the ball he knows what to do with it. But developing chemistry with others is a product of faith in them and also how you protect them and us with defensive players so that they can create. I agree though,Lo Celso is a good ball player and while I havent seen him run the attack like a quarterback,I see Ndombele can do that. Lo Celso is perfect to get the ball going from NDombele and working with him but they need strength behind them. In this last game when ND came on we gained the momentum,when Mourinho took off Sissoko, Bournemouth gained some more momentum as ND had to have an eye on defence and Sissoko is good at getting back.

Yeah definitely agree with that. Him sometimes knowing what pass to make before he receives the ball and executing that pass first time is a massive plus, it's simply something that none of our players do in that area of the pitch. Yep, with Lo Celso I do believe he's almost shackled in a sense because the lack of movement in the whole team gives him a lot less chance to play some of the passes I'm sure he'd like to bee playing. The two of them together could potentially be the catalyst to actual football being played out on the pitch. Definitely agree with the end of that too, I think to get the most out of Ndombele you have to have players doing more of the defensive work in the midfield too.

I'm not saying he doesn't have his negatives too as we've shockingly witnessed some of them already but it's still a massive shame to not see this guy on the pitch a lot more than we have, especially with the players being picked ahead of him but there's of course other reasons as to why Jose is not favouring him!

 

[Ronwol196061]

Mourinho clearly doesn't rate him. I thought he made a positive impact on thursday. He was trying things and quickened the tempo when he got the chance but mourinho didn't agree.

I cant see him starting a game whilst the current manager is here.

It just seems that Mourinho is not going to give him till he sees ND defend first amd I dont think he is that type of player. Finding truly creative players is the most difficult thing in footie as there are too few of them. Mourinho wants to put a square peg in a round hole here instead of understanding that soldiers are a dime a dozen while true creative players are game changers if you allow them to be.You just need to fill in the blanks and in this case its having a strong defence behind him. Creative players take chances as well.
I think Mourinho has got it all wrong but his view is his view.It also creates ugly football. I liked those Danny and Bills banners around WHL about boredom myself,they were right on

 

[emiley heskey]

It just seems that Mourinho is not going to give him till he sees ND defend first amd I dont think he is that type of player. Finding truly creative players is the most difficult thing in footie as there are too few of them. Mourinho wants to put a square peg in a round hole here instead of understanding that soldiers are a dime a dozen while true creative players are game changers if you allow them to be.You just need to fill in the blanks and in this case its having a strong defence behind him. Creative players take chances as well.
I think Mourinho has got it all wrong but his view is his view.It also creates ugly football. I liked those Danny and Bills banners around WHL about boredom myself,they were right on

Unless Mourinho managed players like Ozil, Sneijder, Fabregas, Deco, Xabi Alonso etc etc, he never really in fond of creative players

 

[Cochise]

If Mourinho had no faith in him, then we'd have not seen N'Dombele until the 70th minute. The fact that Mourinho put him on at half time and expected him to change our fortunes does show that there is trust there. If N'Dombele was completely disinterested and eyeing the exit, Mourinho wouldn't have given him a chance against Bournemouth.

For my money, N'Dombele took his chance a couple of nights ago and is showing he deserves a place. He needs to follow it with more of the same.

 

[emiley heskey]

I think we offer him to lazio and lets see whether we can swap him with SMS

 

[agrdavidsfan]

Mourinho clearly doesn't rate him. I thought he made a positive impact on thursday. He was trying things and quickened the tempo when he got the chance but mourinho didn't agree.

I cant see him starting a game whilst the current manager is here.

He clearly doesn’t rate him or trust him for two reasons

one Tanguy is one of those maverick expressive players that just don’t like to be caged

Two he takes to many risks for Jose he wants to express himself and attack that probably upsets Jose as it doesn’t suit his everybody get in the trenches and defend and hope for a lucky goal approach

 

[Ronwol196061]

Unless Mourinho managed players like Ozil, Sneijder, Fabregas, Deco, Xabi Alonso etc etc, he never really in fond of creative players

Well let's, see some of that fantastic creativity then. It's been diabolical
Tim did better ffs!

 

[agrdavidsfan]

Unless Mourinho managed players like Ozil, Sneijder, Fabregas, Deco, Xabi Alonso etc etc, he never really in fond of creative players

but all those players had one thing in common except maybe Ozil they would all defend first or follow a tactical plan none of them were a maverick player which Jose clearly struggles with

I.e pogba a player who will 7/10 attempt the impossible

he’s never done well with these sort of players he prefers the hard working trust worthy players that make the right choices

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Mourinho clearly doesn't rate him. I thought he made a positive impact on thursday. He was trying things and quickened the tempo when he got the chance but mourinho didn't agree.

I cant see him starting a game whilst the current manager is here.

He tried more forward passes than the rest of the team combined I thought.

But there you go, with Mourinho it's all about what you do to stop the opponents playing.

 

[al_pacino]

He's clearly an extremely good footballer but he really struggles to get around the pitch. He needs to have the team built around him and you have to work out if he's worth it. I'd have him in a 3 with winks and GLC but I can certainly see why Jose wouldn't.

 

[hutchiniho]

There’s another very simple point and that’s whether ND is even fit enough to start a match
Def not getting a start for the derby from a cameo sub showing.
And even if that was a better showing from him. He still didn’t actually create anything in 45+ minutes.
No much going for him at the moment.
a terrible piece of scouting for me

 

[LeParisien]

but all those players had one thing in common except maybe Ozil they would all defend first or follow a tactical plan none of them were a maverick player which Jose clearly struggles with

I.e pogba a player who will 7/10 attempt the impossible

he’s never done well with these sort of players he prefers the hard working trust worthy players that make the right choices

I think you’ve nailed it about Pogba and Ndombele. Half the time they attempt the impossible. And half of those times go to Hollywood waste but it’s the other half that gives you gold in a match. Like when Pogba played that ridiculous ball for Rashford to score against us in a game we really should have won.

Football games can turn in moments of chaos and when you have players who have the technical ability to back it up, they’re worth playing. You can’t have 11 on the pitch like that but one or two make you very difficult to play against.

 

[Japhet]

If Mourinho had no faith in him, then we'd have not seen N'Dombele until the 70th minute. The fact that Mourinho put him on at half time and expected him to change our fortunes does show that there is trust there. If N'Dombele was completely disinterested and eyeing the exit, Mourinho wouldn't have given him a chance against Bournemouth.

For my money, N'Dombele took his chance a couple of nights ago and is showing he deserves a place. He needs to follow it with more of the same.

I think Ndombele was brought on because GLC had picked up a knock,otherwise I doubt we'd have seen him til the 70th minute, if at all.

 

[Ronwol196061]

He tried more forward passes than the rest of the team combined I thought.

But there you go, with Mourinho it's all about what you do to stop the opponents playing.

I agree

 

[Ronwol196061]

He clearly doesn’t rate him or trust him for two reasons

one Tanguy is one of those maverick expressive players that just don’t like to be caged

Two he takes to many risks for Jose he wants to express himself and attack that probably upsets Jose as it doesn’t suit his everybody get in the trenches and defend and hope for a lucky goal approach

It's also not enjoyable to watch. Not that I don't like winning football but getting a least a few quality flows going would help the confidence
We are stuck in the one VAR moment sometimes

 

[dSSAbr]

Ideally Mou would be gone, but if we are going to back him, i would love the idea of getting some money and Paredes from PSG for Ndombélé. Paredes holds his position well and has great passing range.

 

[mil1lion]

NDombrlr needs more than Winks behind him.He needs the strength of Sissoko or a strong DM behind him .I think Winks/NDombele/Lo Celso is too lightweight.

That totally depends on the opponent. Our possession would be a lot better with those 3 in midfield imo. Although none of that really matters since we don't have a physical defensive midfielder to choose anyway. Sissoko doesn't have the positional awareness or control on the ball to play there. Dier simply doesn't have the legs to play that role anymore. Skipp and Gedson are number 8s and no more physical than Winks. So until we dip into the transfer window I think it's the best option we have for the remaining games. Although I would have liked to try Foyth there as we did with Dier (and a role Alderweireld played early in his career). It just seems like a good position for him at his age before he gains the discipline for centre back. But he's injured anyway and Jose simply doesn't trust him.

I think Ndombele was brought on because GLC had picked up a knock,otherwise I doubt we'd have seen him til the 70th minute, if at all.

At least he came on instead of Gedson this time so there's still some hope.

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

He still didn’t actually create anything in 45+ minutes.

As opposed to the others that have been creating non-stop

 

[Ronwol196061]

That totally depends on the opponent. Our possession would be a lot better with those 3 in midfield imo. Although none of that really matters since we don't have a physical defensive midfielder to choose anyway. Sissoko doesn't have the positional awareness or control on the ball to play there. Dier simply doesn't have the legs to play that role anymore. Skipp and Gedson are number 8s and no more physical than Winks. So until we dip into the transfer window I think it's the best option we have for the remaining games. Although I would have liked to try Foyth there as we did with Dier (and a role Alderweireld played early in his career). It just seems like a good position for him at his age before he gains the discipline for centre back. But he's injured anyway and Jose simply doesn't trust him.

At least he came on instead of Gedson this time so there's still some hope.

Maybe Lamela can play there
He doesn't make good decisions going forward but a bit of a tiger defensively

 

[Ronwol196061]

He clearly doesn’t rate him or trust him for two reasons

one Tanguy is one of those maverick expressive players that just don’t like to be caged

Two he takes to many risks for Jose he wants to express himself and attack that probably upsets Jose as it doesn’t suit his everybody get in the trenches and defend and hope for a lucky goal approach

I'd agree with that but think Mourinho is wrong
Some players need to be backed. NDombele I think is one of those players.
Not every manager is for every player