Player Watch: Tanguy Ndombele

Thewobbler

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Well if he is unfit like many fitness experts on here claim then theres no wonder he is picking up injuries.
 

KaribYid

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Another embarrassing and lazy misrepresentation of the gist of the thread. Really disgraceful that people come in here and shout stuff like "some of you are fucking weirdos" and then proceed to completely and utterly miss the point. Nothing but a ratings hunter.
Please educate me as to what the point is.
 

mpickard2087

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The thread is over 400 pages, do you think it was started after the Southampton game to start slagging him off due to injury?

In mine, and some others view, his fitness since he arrived at the club has been a worry/disgrace/mystery, delete as appropriate, this stems from looking like he was knackered after 20 mins of the pre-season games, to not being able to seemingly play back to back matches, then being injured, then joining up with the national team, then being injured, then being fit, then being injured again etc etc amen.

In my view, he's a supremely talented footballer, and we've seen snippets of how good he can be, in comparison to his great displays in the CL last season. But...the shape he arrived in during pre-season, added to the example of the Bournemouth game earlier in the thread where he basically gives up chasing the ball because he's knackered (before half time) puts me in the camp of "very unhappy" with his fitness. This is NOT about his injury against Southampton, this is all the things mentioned, added to the fact Poch clearly had the hump with something about him after snapping at a journo in a press conference post game, plus Mourinho coming out with what he did a couple of weeks ago about him being "injured, always injured".

So to repeat, nothing to do with him being currently injured. NOTHING. Not doubting his ability. NOT DOUBTING HIS ABILITY. Unhappy with the current situation. UNHAPPY.

Hope that clears things up.
Thread should be locked after this post. Agree with every word. Think everyone agrees glimpses of serious ability have been seen and we're all eager for more, but the amount of people who have given him a free pass and every excuse under the sun for quite clearly turning up in an absolute state and woefully unfit (which will lead to repeat injuries...….) is barmy.

I reckon the problem is that some, most, of these fuckers sit in the transfer forums all summer bigging up and fapping off to the thought of these 50 million pound super signings and how wonderful it will all be. Problem is they're then all in, and there is no turning back, and they must defend them to the bitter end - Poor Bobby anyone?
 

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Was there not a bit about his attitude towards fitness in his younger days, that he had to work harder than others because his natural physical state was of a heavier set? I recall a piece about his mental strength breaking into the Amiens team, maybe that's slipped. Big move, big money can see why he might regress in that regard (not justifying it). With the minor injuries, perhaps its just all culminated in him not being able to get to the level he needs to. I bloody hope he fixes up soon as we aren't a club that can afford to have £100m asset (once wages are factored in) not performing.
 

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This thread is bonkers.

There are two clear and obvious statements you can make about Ndombele:

1. He is extremely talented. A “baller” as the youngsters say.

2. His fitness record is worrying.

Everyone is arguing the toss over two opposite things.

I love watching Ndombele play and he looked excellent in 2nd half vs Norwich. However, he still has an awful lot to prove in the Premier League.

It is obvious that Ligue 1 is a far inferior league and it is obvious why he would shine in that league.

I still have full faith in him at Spurs, but he hasn’t proven anything yet.

I can think of 10 players in the league I would rather have in our squad in the immediate term.

Again, not to say that won’t change as Ndombele improves.
Well said mate. Good to have a debate but some are getting carried away. Let’s get behind the geezer- hope he’s back soon.
 

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I think he's more of a next season player. Needs a pre season like Dembele in 15/16 where he went and lost lots of weight and came back a monster.
 

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Would you want Ndombele in the trenches with you when the bullets are flying .
No he would be cowering in the corner so to speak great talent no guts .
Seems to me every time he is tackled he is close to wanting to leave the pitch. what a wimp but great ability.
Don't think I'd want any professional footballer in the trenches with me. They'd all be wanting to know how much they were getting paid, they'd have some dopy tart on their arm and they'd want to fuck off home after 2 hours every day.
 

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Would you want Ndombele in the trenches with you when the bullets are flying .
No he would be cowering in the corner so to speak great talent no guts .
Seems to me every time he is tackled he is close to wanting to leave the pitch. what a wimp but great ability.
I'd rather half the fine members of SC with me, we can use our laptops as cover
 

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If he was a target for nearly every elite club in World Football, how did we get him?

Looked a real talent as soon as I saw him but also looked overweight and obviously has fitness issues

Maybe these Elite clubs knew something and were waiting to see how he went in a much more competitive league
Maybe we offered better pies? 🤷‍♂️


Just kidding. He’s already shown himself to be a quality player. Just imagine what he would be like when he’s fully fit.
 

muppetman

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Blimey fellas, talk about a storm in a teacup - he's missed a few games, he's hardly Gazza's old mate 5 bellies!
 

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I think he's more of a next season player. Needs a pre season like Dembele in 15/16 where he went and lost lots of weight and came back a monster.
Problem is, we don't have the luxury of giving him a season off. We are pretty desperate for him to play a full role now, especially with Moussa ruled out probably for the rest of the season in reality
 

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Problem is, we don't have the luxury of giving him a season off. We are pretty desperate for him to play a full role now, especially with Moussa ruled out probably for the rest of the season in reality
Just because WE as a club failed to bolster our midfield for years and ended up in this mess doesn’t mean we should be putting unnecessary pressure on the new lads coming in.
 

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If he was a target for nearly every elite club in World Football, how did we get him?

Looked a real talent as soon as I saw him but also looked overweight and obviously has fitness issues

Maybe these Elite clubs knew something and were waiting to see how he went in a much more competitive league
Because we are now an elite club as well (at least financially), and we were likely to offer similar wages and fees for him as the other elite clubs. There's more to signing players than just the hierarchy of club prestige, we were able to convince Ndombele that we were a great option for him (big club, new stadium, Poch's ambition, development, CL run, starting role, French guys in the locker room). It was reported all throughout the summer of interest from clubs like United, Man City, PSG, Real Madrid, Juventus and I think all the chips fell in the right place for us to get him. But to be fair, who really knows what is true and not.
 

danielneeds

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Just because WE as a club failed to bolster our midfield for years and ended up in this mess doesn’t mean we should be putting unnecessary pressure on the new lads coming in.
It’s true. Liverpool thought Keita was gonna be an absolute baller for them, Klopp was ecstatic to get him. Injuries and form have meant he’s struggled even in an extremely well set up and confident side.
 
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