Player Watch - Steven Bergwijn signs for Ajax

[dagraham]

Or Messi

To be fair he ain’t bad with his weaker foot .

 

[13VanDerBale13]

Really good football account to follow when it comes to analysis, they will also post a thread on Steven at RW.

 

[kmk]

What a tweet

No mention of Gica Popescu, Lee Young Pyo or Heurelho Gomes.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Really good football account to follow when it comes to analysis, they will also post a thread on Steven at RW.

Does this analysis mean we will or will not still have to watch Moura leaping like a Salmon 30 times every game when the ball is lumped up to him and he has to challenge Central Defenders over a foot taller than him?

 

[13VanDerBale13]

Does this analysis mean we will or will not still have to watch Moura leaping like a Salmon 30 times every game when the ball is lumped up to him and he has to challenge Central Defenders over a foot taller than him?

Tune in to find out on Deadline Day!, as Spurs look to end their drought of playing without a recognised striker.

 

[SpursTillIDie1882]

No mention of Gica Popescu, Lee Young Pyo or Heurelho Gomes.

Gica Popescu was a don!!! he was great little player

 

[King of Otters]

In that case I presume you think the same of Lo Celso?

I don't think the same of Lo Celso because I don't see him a predominantly one-footed player. Lamela on the other hand is a good example of a player whose potential has been limited because of his inability/reluctance to use his weaker foot.

 

[dagraham]

I don't think the same of Lo Celso because I don't see him a predominantly one-footed player. Lamela on the other hand is a good example of a player whose potential has been limited because of his inability/reluctance to use his weaker foot.

One of the first things I noticed about Lo Celso is how one footed he is. Doesn’t seem to impact him though in the same way as Lamela, but then he’s a better player.

I do agree that genuinely two footed players have a big advantage, but the key thing with Steve (yeah I’m going to continue to call him that ) is that he has power and pace, something Lamela does not.

So hopefully, even if defenders can pick what he’s going to do they may not he able to stop him doing it.

 

[Donki]

One of the first things I noticed about Lo Celso is how one footed he is. Doesn’t seem to impact him though in the same way as Lamela, but then he’s a better player.

I do agree that genuinely two footed players have a big advantage, but the key thing with Steve (yeah I’m going to continue to call him that ) is that he has power and pace, something Lamela does not.

So hopefully, even if defenders can pick what he’s going to do they may not he able to stop him doing it.

Gareth Bale style I am thinking. I am more worried he will get up to speed with the pace and physicality of the PL, it seems to be something players coming from Holland struggle with.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

It really isn’t. Of foreign imports into this league the Dutch probably have the highest success ratio.

 

[mpickard2087]

Really good football account to follow when it comes to analysis, they will also post a thread on Steven at RW.

Full transition to Counter Attack FC. Deep joy.....

 

[Donki]

It really isn’t. Of foreign imports into this league the Dutch probably have the highest success ratio.

Recently I can think of any recent ones Danny Blind, Depay and Janssen who have been average to shit I cant think of many recent ones who have been a success, only one I can think of is Wijnaldum. Although I am probably missing someone. Again I am talking about players straight from the Eredivisie. Of course Eriksen and Verts came but I wouldn't classify them recent.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Full transition to Counter Attack FC. Deep joy.....

Counter attacking doesn’t necessarily mean you don’t dominate (I’m aware we haven’t been) or don’t play good passing football, Ferguson’s best sides were very much counter attacking and nobody could accuse those teams of being defensive. Even Redknapp’s Spurs side at its best was counter attacking and that included Modric and Van der Vaart, while Pochettino’s 343 of 16/17 was very much built on counter attacks.

Like with any style and formation, the quality it produced depends on the players in the side. I’d rather see a slick, functioning counter attacking side than AvB ball where you never penetrate because you’re too afraid to lose the ball to try a brave pass.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Recently I can think of any recent ones Danny Blind, Depay and Janssen who have been average to shit I cant think of many recent ones who have been a success, only one I can think of is Wijnaldum. Although I am probably missing someone. Again I am talking about players straight from the Eredivisie. Of course Eriksen and Verts came but I wouldn't classify them recent.

I guess with the likes on f Toby and VdV you have a transition via Scotland, but I don’t think that takes away from the point.

Across the PL era there are countless examples of successful Dutch trained players though.

 

[Donki]

I guess with the likes on f Toby and VdV you have a transition via Scotland, but I don’t think that takes away from the point.

Across the PL era there are countless examples of successful Dutch trained players though.

Yeah I was talking more recently, probably more reflective of the poor generation Dutch players have had of late. Don't get me wrong Steve looks like he has all the attributes needed but so did Depay, the Dutch league is incredibly weak outside the top 2.

 

[mpickard2087]

Counter attacking doesn’t necessarily mean you don’t dominate (I’m aware we haven’t been) or don’t play good passing football, Ferguson’s best sides were very much counter attacking and nobody could accuse those teams of being defensive. Even Redknapp’s Spurs side at its best was counter attacking and that included Modric and Van der Vaart, while Pochettino’s 343 of 16/17 was very much built on counter attacks.

Like with any style and formation, the quality it produced depends on the players in the side. I’d rather see a slick, functioning counter attacking side than AvB ball where you never penetrate because you’re too afraid to lose the ball to try a brave pass.

It is not an either/or though, AVB ball isn't the only method or person who has attempted to play that way.

Don't agree with Poch or Redknapp's teams. Poch teams always tried to play on the front foot and get up the pitch and control proceedings unless on very specific occasions (eg. Liverpool 4-1 game), if we played some dross PL team that was wide open we picked them off but that wasn't the modus operandi really. Redknapp teams similar, he was just a lazy coach when it came to anything regarding play without the ball which led to a lazy and open team and so end to end and often messy football.

Mourinho we are clearly going to sit deep for large spells of most games, soak up pressure, and then spring counter attacks. Forget the 'he's learned new things and changed his style', that was never going to happen. And the amount of goals we conceded in his honeymoon period will have definitely spooked him into going back to what he knows best if there was any doubt.

That can lead to great passages of play and slick moves - at the weekend, bar the finishing, how we constructed the rapid interchanges first half was very very effective. But that is not how I personally want the game played and what I value, I want to be the protagonist and have the ball and dominate in that way and so is what I want from a Spurs team. There's plenty of 'good' teams, winning teams, that whilst may be effective I don't like how they play football and don't agree with it, Spurs might well be added to the list once again.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

It is not an either/or though, AVB ball isn't the only method or person who has attempted to play that way.

Don't agree with Poch or Redknapp's teams. Poch teams always tried to play on the front foot and get up the pitch and control proceedings unless on very specific occasions (eg. Liverpool 4-1 game), if we played some dross PL team that was wide open we picked them off but that wasn't the modus operandi really. Redknapp teams similar, he was just a lazy coach when it came to anything regarding play without the ball which led to a lazy and open team and so end to end and often messy football.

Mourinho we are clearly going to sit deep for large spells of most games, soak up pressure, and then spring counter attacks. Forget the 'he's learned new things and changed his style', that was never going to happen. And the amount of goals we conceded in his honeymoon period will have definitely spooked him into going back to what he knows best if there was any doubt.

That can lead to great passages of play and slick moves - at the weekend, bar the finishing, how we constructed the rapid interchanges first half was very very effective. But that is not how I personally want the game played and what I value, I want to be the protagonist and have the ball and dominate in that way and so is what I want from a Spurs team. There's plenty of 'good' teams, winning teams, that whilst may be effective I don't like how they play football and don't agree with it, Spurs might well be added to the list once again.

I understand your points, I guess I’m of a mindset know where I don’t necessarily see that tactic as failing to control the game, and it can actually lead to the most eye catching moves and goals in my opinion. I feel that if got right, the point is to force the opposition into doing what you want them to do, and that’s something Jose has made a career out of doing. I say this as a fully subscribed disciple of Guardiola.

 

[mpickard2087]

I understand your points, I guess I’m of a mindset know where I don’t necessarily see that tactic as failing to control the game, and it can actually lead to the most eye catching moves and goals in my opinion. I feel that if got right, the point is to force the opposition into doing what you want them to do, and that’s something Jose has made a career out of doing. I say this as a fully subscribed disciple of Guardiola.

Yeah as I said, it can certainly be effective and carried out by design. I don't dispute that. It might even take us on another level who knows, but as I have said repeatedly now over the last few months as we enter a new era - I primarily watch football for the 90 minutes itself, for entertainment, and on what I value and to my tastes and (high/picky/impossible) standards. Most fans will be able to go "we won, I don't care how we did it" but not me.

Whatever approach you take in terms of tactics, the moments where it all clicks and you put it all together and carry out a great move and/or score a goal are brief and sporadic across the entire game. I guess it comes down to what you feel should be happening for the other 98% of the time when 'nothing' is happening. Me personally I want (my) teams to have the ball rather than not have it. Some think opposite. Most have never thought about it and don't care, especially if the result goes the right way. C'est la vie....

 

[tototoner]

Or Messi

and Maradona

 

[IfiHadTheWings]

Ha, his brother reminds me of Tariq St Patrick from Power there.

And he looks like Dre....Motherfucker...