Player Watch Player Watch: Son Heung-min

[Spursberg]

We have a problem with Son, he is so loved and a legend at the club, but when he strugle, we do not have a strong enough manager to leave him on the bench for a game or two.
Also captain and will most likely play when he is total shit, like has happend a lot lately

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

He cannot play in the winger role in this system.

It was pretty obvious last season and he’s now another year older.

We needed 2 quality wide players this summer. Instead we got Werner and a 19 year old (who I do like but is very raw).

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

He cannot play in the winger role in this system.

It was pretty obvious last season and he’s now another year older.

We needed 2 quality wide players this summer. Instead we got Werner and a 19 year old (who I do like but is very raw).

Sums up everything about how our club is run.

 

[Pochemon94]

i don't mean this to be too harsh but i forgot which player said it about playing,

sometimes you gotta leave the game before the game leaves you.

father time unfortunately catches up to everyone and you have to make the tough decision to possibly find a situation that suits you better. He is a club legend but he just does not fit our system, if we really want to commit to Ange and his tactics then we need to put out a front 3 that work and i just don't think son fits our system anymore. If this was 4 years ago and he was the uber pacy and strong player then yes i think he would work great but unfortunately at this point in his career he is at his best when he just cuts in at the edge of the box and has the beautiful curling shot to the back post. I really do think it might be best for him to think about making the move to the MLS or a league of that type like reus has just done. this was really hard to write as he has been such a great player for us but sometimes it's just time for a fresh start

 

[GutBucket]

The only winger who completed a dribble yesterday, 2/4. And yeah, that's a pretty big problem if he is the best one at doing that.

 

[jurgen]

Designing a system that negates by far your best finisher doesn’t seem the smartest idea. Especially when we’re fluffing our lines in the final third repeatedly.

We’re stuck with our wide options now so Ange needs to tweak things.

 

[Jamturk]

Designing a system that negates by far your best finisher doesn’t seem the smartest idea. Especially when we’re fluffing our lines in the final third repeatedly.

We’re stuck with our wide options now so Ange needs to tweak things.

Exactly this, Sonny is an inside forward with elite finishing he has always fed off others mostly Sir Harry.

Ange is asking him to play wide and provide, absolute bonkers management.

As a manager you are there to maximize the assets you have.

 

[SUIYHA]

Thanks for everything you've done for the club Sonny, but I don't think he should be starting anymore.

Problem is - I don't really see too many alternatives in our squad right now. Should have gone all out for two top quality wingers to go into the first team and instead we've got Werner who is useless and Odobert who isn't ready to start so we're stuck with the same as we had last year

 

[djhotspur]

Thanks for everything you've done for the club Sonny, but I don't think he should be starting anymore.

Problem is - I don't really see too many alternatives in our squad right now. Should have gone all out for two top quality wingers to go into the first team and instead we've got Werner who is useless and Odobert who isn't ready to start so we're stuck with the same as we had last year

At least Oderbert is actually a left winger so give him a shot there

 

[Westmorlandspur]

Exactly this, Sonny is an inside forward with elite finishing he has always fed off others mostly Sir Harry.

Ange is asking him to play wide and provide, absolute bonkers management.

As a manager you are there to maximize the assets you have.

Our best goalscorer is kept wide and the full backs are getting into the area . Sonny hardly gets into shooting positions. If the players haven’t lost faith in this system, they soon will do.

 

[DJS]

Son needs to start central or not at all.

We need to be playing with two proper wingers and Son the needs to compete with Solanke and Richy for the central role.

I don’t think Ange‘s system suits him personally.

No doubt if he then goes on to have a cracking game next week people will be posting in here saying so much for nay sayers etc but consistently he doesn’t fit how Ange wants to set up.

For Son to work full backs need to overlap and we need somone at centre forward he can play off and a decent right winger to actually play the winger role.

 

[Donki]

Son needs to start central or not at all.

We need to be playing with two proper wingers and Son the needs to compete with Solanke and Richy for the central role.

I don’t think Ange‘s system suits him personally.

No doubt if he then goes on to have a cracking game next week people will be posting in here saying so much for nay sayers etc but consistently he doesn’t fit how Ange wants to set up.

For Son to work full backs need to overlap and we need somone at centre forward he can play off and a decent right winger to actually play the winger role.

Totally agree, and I think when up to speed Solanke will suit him perfectly, Son has never been or will ever be a wide winger, he’s so much better on the inside. I don’t however agree that he can’t work in an Ange system, just play him to his strengths and give him some licence to do it.

 

[brasil_spur]

Agreed with pretty much everyone's posts in here following the game.

Son never really was a pacey winger, but he could play that role, and was particularly effective on the break in counter attacking football.

Under Ange he's not at all a fit for the way we try to play.

Ange is going to have change formation to accomodate him. We need to go 4-4-2 (yeh I know old school), or at least 4-4-1-1

Solanke is the perfect hold up player for Son - we can get balls up to Solanke early or cross in from wide runs and Solanke can either finish them or lay off to Son who's coming in behind him.

Solanke can also press from the front to take that pressure off Son, as that's a weak part of his game.

What that means is that we don't need a proper No. 10 anymore. I'm not even sure Maddison has been a proper No. 10 for a while, certainly not yesterday where he was dropping right back to take the ball off of the defence.

And Maddison is off form.

So personally I would drop Maddison, play 4 across the middle and Son and Solanke up front.

 

[cjbyid]

He shouldn't be starting anymore.

Although the higher ups have left us once again in shite position of having no replacement.

 

[Donki]

Agreed with pretty much everyone's posts in here following the game.

Son never really was a pacey winger, but he could play that role, and was particularly effective on the break in counter attacking football.

Under Ange he's not at all a fit for the way we try to play.

Ange is going to have change formation to accomodate him. We need to go 4-4-2 (yeh I know old school), or at least 4-4-1-1

Solanke is the perfect hold up player for Son - we can get balls up to Solanke early or cross in from wide runs and Solanke can either finish them or lay off to Son who's coming in behind him.

Solanke can also press from the front to take that pressure off Son, as that's a weak part of his game.

What that means is that we don't need a proper No. 10 anymore. I'm not even sure Maddison has been a proper No. 10 for a while, certainly not yesterday where he was dropping right back to take the ball off of the defence.

And Maddison is off form.

So personally I would drop Maddison, play 4 across the middle and Son and Solanke up front.

Honestly, probably not the most popular of options but a 4-4-2 or a 4-4-1-1 would not be a bad shout for us. It’s all on how intelligent our players transitioning from with the ball to without.

I honestly feel we have a lot of good athletes who maybe aren’t the great ballers. I’d say Mads, Bentancur, Son and Porro are likely the most technically gifted on show on Sunday, I would include BJ but I don’t think technical ability is his problem it’s more a belief in himself.

I know I seem to be some Johnson sympathiser but I genulinly believe he can be a top quality player, he has his weaknesses rn yes but one thing that guy does is never hides. We really do need to stop this scapegoating bullshit around him, yes he cost a lot, it’s not like he asked to cost that much.

 

[Yid121]

Don't know if it was only me but I thought he was our biggest threat in the first half and did White a couple of times. Without Saka doubling up, would've done more damage too.

Maybe that's because I don't expect much of him anymore but thought Johnson was more the problem as was only effective on the counter attack and didn't look like beating timber at all.

I don't think Udogie does much going forward either compared to Porro for eg which doesn't help Son.

Personally I'm not sure who else we'd play there, potentially Odobert, who whilst looks more effective on the left is probably more needed on the right.

In summary, I don't think think he's great for the system but he's probably still second to Odobert at the moment and therefore one of the two wingers - but that could easily change to be honest as it's marginal

 

[Trent Crimm]

Happy Mexican Independence Day.

 

[Lord Commander]

He should start in a 3-5-2 formation alongside Solanke. That team would have a quite strong defense, good wingbacks, a decent midfield, and two strikers who can score, with Richarlison providing competition when fit. I don't see much point in utilizing wingers who simply aren't that good.

 

[chas vs dave]

He can only play lw if udogie overlaps, and he cuts in.

 

[Cochise]

This is going to be the main argument in this thread, especially with Son having already dropped a level.

We either sabotage the coach by forcing him to change various parts of his system in order to cater to Son. Do you even build around Son at this age? Probably not.

Or we back the coach, Son plays a role he's not suited to for another year and then moves on. It's shit, because nobody really wins here and Sonny of all people deserves more from this. However every player hits a point where they aren't the main man anymore and other talents become the focal point.