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JayB

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Although I've considered myself a big fan of Soldado and have backed him on this forum and elsewhere there's no escaping the fact that we overpaid massively for him. He's always been a poacher who was rather limited when it came to anything but finishing, as well as in his athleticism. Never a 26m player.

That being said he did not finish last season with the highest chance conversion rate in Europe by accident. He may be little more than a poacher, but in Spain he was an absolutely brilliant one.

Although his return for us thus far has been so poor as to be inexcusable I do think he has been mismanaged. Confidence is crucially important for any striker and he really ought to have been given a number of runouts in the group stage of the Europa in order to find his shooting boots in a Spurs shirt. There was no pressure whatsoever in those matches and we opened up the mickey mouse defenses at will whereas we found ourselves creating sweet FA in the league.

Unfortunately given that Ade had been banished to the reserves AVB left himself with little option but to play Soldado in the league, and it wasn't long at all into the campaign that there were whispers of him being a flop or a foreign myth, putting him under pressure. This despite the fact that under AVB he legitimately had very, very little service to work with and was involved in a large percentage of our paltry goal tally. He hit a real low point near the end of AVB's reign where he had basically given up on even making runs, knowing that the ball would never come. His confidence was utterly destroyed.

Under Sherwood he seemed to be reinvigorated somewhat, but has been dropping deeper to pick up the ball and contribute to our build up. Whether this is a tactical choice by Sherwood or Soldado doing it of his own volition because he feels pressure to contribute somehow given his lack of goals, I'm not sure. Regardless, I think it's ultimately counterproductive. Soldado is a poacher, even if he's woefully off form, and should be positioned in and around the box looking primarily to get on the end of things. He can still contribute creatively from more advanced positions, as we saw under AVB, and if he continues to drop deep he's never going to get back to his best.

I'm concerned that he won't find any semblance of form this season. I do think that if he were to bag a few goals it would go a long way toward alleviating the mental strain he is under, but I don't see where the opportunities will come from. Every remaining league match is a life or death affair and the way he's currently snatching at chances he really ought to be left out of the side, and who knows how many Europa matches he'll have to get back on track.

I'm still optimistic that he'll eventually come good for us, however. We've seen flashes of his class and he's most certainly not going anywhere given the way that his value has plummeted. Even if he goes into next season as second or third choice it should mean that he's played against rather poor opposition and he should get plenty of opportunities to find the back of the net and regain his mojo. I just hope it happens before he is permanently ruined ala Torres.
 

Kendall

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With our wingers offering the square root of 0 and Tim favouring Bentaleb I'm not sure why he hasn't tried a 4-3-1-2

Paulinho - Capoue - Bentaleb
----------Eriksen-----------
-----Soldado----Ade-------

Fullbacks providing the width.

That would be OK, if our fullbacks could provide width.

Oh sure they appear to provide width by their very presence out wide, but they don't deliver anything like the required quality to truly provide the desired width. I fear we won't see the best of the likes of Lamela and Chadli unless we can upgrade our fullbacks. And that pains me because I really like Walker.
 

Kendall

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Sorry if this has been asked already but, how many Spanish players (not Spanish speaking) have we had at Spurs? (i could be missing an obvious one but off the top of my head i can only think of Falque) and also are there/have there ever been a shit hot Spanish striker playing for a London team? (again i could missing an obvious one)

Torres went downhill when he moved to London.

I've liked a lot of what i've seen of Robbie but our "wingers" are screwing him six ways from Sunday i'm not saying he's immune from criticism but we have rarely played to his strengths, let alone the others we signed.

Torres was a success because he was strong, had electric turn of pace and was very skillful with it. He seemed to lose a yard and the confidence to beat players with it. He still scores the odd muscle-goal though. Soldado really isn't that kind of player. I see him as being a bit like Javier Hernandez, but without the sharp pace. Which doesn't bode well, since Hernandez struggles to find any kind of run/consistency in the league.
 

WalkerboyUK

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That being said he did not finish last season with the highest chance conversion rate in Europe by accident. He may be little more than a poacher, but in Spain he was an absolutely brilliant one.

Maybe that says more about the Spanish League and defences than it does anything else.
It's the same with a lot of strikers that comes in from a league where only 2/3 teams are up fighting for the title every season.
Let's take Celtic as a prime example.... Gary Hooper scored 63 goals in 95 games for them, yet at Norwich he has 5 in 19. Or try Samaras, who really didn't do a lot at Man City (8 goals in 54 games) but at Celtic has 50 in 165.

Now look at someone like Helder Postiga who we spent £6-8 million on and scored only once.
Since leaving us he's played for Zaragoza and Valencia and is now at Lazio.

I just think that some players are suited to a specific league/style and Soldado is one of these.
If he's really THAT good, why has he only played 12 times in 6 1/2 years for Spain???
His 7 goals for us have been against arguably some of the worst teams possible (Palace, Villa, Tblisi & Anzhi). Against anyone even half decent he's done very little where it matters.
His 7 international goals have been scored against Venezuela (hat-trick), Georgia, Republic of Ireland, Uruguay and Chile..... I think that says an awful lot.

As we have done in the past, we've spent a lot of money on a player who, so far, hasn't contributed what would be expected at this level.
I'd love to see him start banging in the goals soon (and boy does he need to if we're going to finish in the top 4), but I don't see anything changing......
 

Kendall

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Maybe that says more about the Spanish League and defences than it does anything else.
It's the same with a lot of strikers that comes in from a league where only 2/3 teams are up fighting for the title every season.
Let's take Celtic as a prime example.... Gary Hooper scored 63 goals in 95 games for them, yet at Norwich he has 5 in 19. Or try Samaras, who really didn't do a lot at Man City (8 goals in 54 games) but at Celtic has 50 in 165.

Now look at someone like Helder Postiga who we spent £6-8 million on and scored only once.
Since leaving us he's played for Zaragoza and Valencia and is now at Lazio.

I just think that some players are suited to a specific league/style and Soldado is one of these.
If he's really THAT good, why has he only played 12 times in 6 1/2 years for Spain???
His 7 goals for us have been against arguably some of the worst teams possible (Palace, Villa, Tblisi & Anzhi). Against anyone even half decent he's done very little where it matters.
His 7 international goals have been scored against Venezuela (hat-trick), Georgia, Republic of Ireland, Uruguay and Chile..... I think that says an awful lot.

As we have done in the past, we've spent a lot of money on a player who, so far, hasn't contributed what would be expected at this level.
I'd love to see him start banging in the goals soon (and boy does he need to if we're going to finish in the top 4), but I don't see anything changing......

I agree with the sentiment. I've watched that summary video of Soldado's goals last year a few times and what is striking is the lack of any real pressure on the striker.

I do think the Spain thing is a disservice though. They've had Torres, Villa and Negredo in there, for a team that doesn't often play with more than 1 striker these days, it does make it difficult.

I know Michael Owen is a bit of an idiot at times, but he also said he didn't rate Soldado at Real Madrid. Which is interesting because they're both simply goalscorers. Though admittedly Soldado was pretty young then.
 

0-Tibsy-0

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I wrote this in another thread over the weekend but it seems relevant given a few claims that Soldado only did well because of the poor nature of Spanish teams and that he's generally pretty shit;

There are some good teams though that have been on par with the better teams in the Prem over the last few years.

Soldado against:

Villarreal- 3 goals
Athletico Madrid - 4 goals
Sevilla 6 -goals
Athletic Bilbao- 8 goals
Real Madrid- 4 goals
Real Sociedad- 5 goals.

He is a good striker, and I agree that he hasn't delivered in terms of goals yet (some of his build up play has been excellent) in regards to the price paid, which wasn't his fault-he had a buy out clause. It pisses me off that people spout nonsense and claim he is 'shit'. He obviously isn't.
 

0-Tibsy-0

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His 7 international goals have been scored against Venezuela (hat-trick), Georgia, Republic of Ireland, Uruguay and Chile..... I think that says an awful lot.
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One is in the top 6 teams in World Football, above Italy, Belgium and Holalnd. While one is 15th. Just a pedantic point ;)
 

WalkerboyUK

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One is in the top 6 teams in World Football, above Italy, Belgium and Holalnd. While one is 15th. Just a pedantic point ;)

Pedant point accepted, but that's 2 of his 7. The other 5 against shite teams....
I guess it could also be argued that Spain have also played with no striker in some games, and that they have a strong pool of strikers to choose from. That however also suggests that he needs to work harder!!!
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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I wonder what our insurance policy is like.
We could have him stolen and torched. Might get decent money back rather than trying to sell.
 

sundanceyid10

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He needs to score a couple in open play in one game and then I think he will relax and the goals will come.
 

markt

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Don't understand the comments that he is just a poacher. If you watch him closely in most games (I know he has had a few shockers) he makes intelligent runs that open up the defence and he certainly can pick a pass and hit a decent cross. The first few games under Sherwood proved that.

At the moment he has no confidence and his finishing has been poor and at times he looks scared to shoot, but I think a few goals and good performances will see him start to show what a good player he is. A lot of players struggle in their first season in the Premier League. I know he cost £26 million, so we expect him to hit the ground running, but it would be a waste to write him off too early.
 

spurs-r-us

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That would be OK, if our fullbacks could provide width.

Oh sure they appear to provide width by their very presence out wide, but they don't deliver anything like the required quality to truly provide the desired width. I fear we won't see the best of the likes of Lamela and Chadli unless we can upgrade our fullbacks. And that pains me because I really like Walker.
Have you thought this through? Rose I agree we could upgrade, because he doesn't provide enough for where we are trying to go, but Walker I just don't get. Have we ever seen Lamela and Walker together for any period longer than an hour? Walker provides plenty of width, his crossing is poor, but that doesn't matter as much as his ability to link up with the winger and help them find space. Lennon can be a good little player when in form, but right now his crossing is worse than ever and he and Walker are giving no end product. At the end of the day, that's up to Lennon.

Also, where are we meant to find a Walker upgrade? Perhaps some foreign name as opposed to England's RB? Grass isn't always greener, see the thread title here.
 

TheAmerican

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Anyone else curious if it's all in the hair gel? What happened Roberto?
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Flashspur

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he is a class player with zero confidence at the moment...thanks to AVB to a great extent and that atrocious system...he will come around but I think his confidence has taken a battering and TS needs to work on that
 

yankspurs

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Once he gets an open play goal in the Premier League, its game over, and he'll start firing. Form is temporary, class is permanant.
 

chinaman

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Once he gets an open play goal in the Premier League, its game over, and he'll start firing. Form is temporary, class is permanant.

His confidence is so low now I think it'll take much more than a goal in open play to restore. It'll take 3 or 4 goals over a few good games and he'll come around.
 

not_tenth-again

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Once he gets an open play goal in the Premier League, its game over, and he'll start firing. Form is temporary, class is permanant.

Fernando Torres might disagree.... anyway, I'm still giving Soldado the benefit of the doubt but I have serious concerns at the moment.
 

THFCSPURS19

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Just read this little snippet from a Daily Fail article:

"Club chairman Daniel Levy and Technical Director Franco Baldini have realised the error of not signing a top striker in the wake of Gareth Bale’s departure."

Fuck off. Just fuck off.
 
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