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Player Watch: Serge Aurier

Japhet

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Walker was sold to City for 50million and they got a bargain. Doesn't look out of place at all in a champion side with his fair share of assists and key passes.

He was a mainstay in our best PL season ever. Unbeaten at home in all comps. 6 assists, 14 clean sheets, 21 league goals conceded all season when he was on the pitch.

The idea that I'm the revisionist in the rose tinted false equivalence between Aurier and Walker (based on past or present) is a bit rich.

Different opinion. Fair enough.
 

rawhide

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Walker was sold to City for 50million and they got a bargain. Doesn't look out of place at all in a champion side with his fair share of assists and key passes.

He was a mainstay in our best PL season ever. Unbeaten at home in all comps. 6 assists, 14 clean sheets, 21 league goals conceded all season when he was on the pitch.

The idea that I'm the revisionist in the rose tinted false equivalence between Aurier and Walker (based on past or present) is a bit rich.
Yep - and at the time we were happy to cash in on Walker as we had Trippier to replace him who if I remember rightly was also an international full back at the time and despite his “decline” was sold for a healthy fee to a Champions League challenging team.

We currently have Rose who, despite a dip in performance, I’d still prefer to Ben Davies who in my opinion is a CB masquerading as a LB.

And we have KWP who has been playing pretty well recently for Southampton, and would fit into the category of “could be developed by Mourinho”
 

mr ashley

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Walker was sold to City for 50million and they got a bargain. Doesn't look out of place at all in a champion side with his fair share of assists and key passes.

He was a mainstay in our best PL season ever. Unbeaten at home in all comps. 6 assists, 14 clean sheets, 21 league goals conceded all season when he was on the pitch.

The idea that I'm the revisionist in the rose tinted false equivalence between Aurier and Walker (based on past or present) is a bit rich.
I wouldn’t have said it was revisionist, as Walker was one of the best RBs in the country (and still is). Even at his peak for us, he still had a shocker in him, and more often than not would get forwards but fail to pick out the right pass. Zabaleta and Bellerin were both more consistent in finding teammates when they got to the byline.
He’s still miles better than aurier though.
Same with rose.
They were the best in the country, if they had a better final ball they’d have been fairly considered as best in the world at that time.
 

Timberwolf

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Walker never had the best football brain and made the odd mistake, but in his last few seasons he was really solid defensively and he was such a useful player to have due to his speed and power.

Whenever a team broke against us Walker was about as good a last man as you could hope for and shut down so many attacks. I think this is partly why Pep likes him so much.

One of those players I think a lot of us took for granted at the time due to his dodgy crossing and occasional brainfarts (I'm looking at you Bus Conductor).
 

cozzo

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Walker never had the best football brain and made the odd mistake, but in his last few seasons he was really solid defensively and he was such a useful player to have due to his speed and power.

Whenever a team broke against us Walker was about as good a last man as you could hope for and shut down so many attacks. I think this is partly why Pep likes him so much.

One of those players I think a lot of us took for granted at the time due to his dodgy crossing and occasional brainfarts (I'm looking at you Bus Conductor).
I remember him being so scared to cross the ball
 

soflapaul

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Couldn't find the Serge Aurier thread for some reason this afternoon but posted this in the spurs Arsenal game. thought it would be better to post it in his thread.

While Serge makes too many mistakes for my taste, i think he does get slated a bit much in here. On the first goal, his touch was heavy and he deserves some of the blame, but a heavy touch is also part unlucky. If you watch the build up, he falls on his ass on a head ball (Maybe out of position), jumps up and figures out where the pass is going, arrives in time and his body position forces him to control the ball with the outside of his foot on a bouncing ball on the rise. While you would expect a better touch, i would think that the heavy touch would happen to lots of players on an identical play if they attempted it 10 times. Where his biggest mistake on that was was going all in rather than containing once the ball was lost. it was hard to tell but it looked like Sissoko and Sanchez both relaxed for a moment and even Winks who could have closed Lacazette (easier to see from behind the goal) was slow to react. So while he does get a major portion of the blame, it wasn't a brain fart on his part. it's easy to say in retrospect, but with his own teammates shifting, winning the ball back isn't as important as slowing the play down.

What i did like that i saw was on Toby's header. I missed it the first time around but watching the replays, you can see a great run. First off, he is completely unmarked 10 yards out in the center


sanchez makes a near post run which opens up the space for Aurier to fill. Mustafi had to cover him which opened up the gap for Toby to fill.

If you see the picture of the goal on Football London, it captures the problem he created for Mustafi too as it shows why Mustafi couldn't ignore him. terrible set piece defending for sure primarily leaving Aurier unmarked.

If we are going to honestly critique the guy, then we have to give plaudits where plaudits are due. I don't like him as a starting defender as he makes too many mental mistakes. But give credit where credit is due.

Hopefully the picture showed up. If not, look at the game highlights exactly at 80:48 and it is clear as day that he is completly unmarked. I found it on the NBC replay where they did the close up of the goal box

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FITZ

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Couldn't find the Serge Aurier thread for some reason this afternoon but posted this in the spurs Arsenal game. thought it would be better to post it in his thread.

While Serge makes too many mistakes for my taste, i think he does get slated a bit much in here. On the first goal, his touch was heavy and he deserves some of the blame, but a heavy touch is also part unlucky. If you watch the build up, he falls on his ass on a head ball (Maybe out of position), jumps up and figures out where the pass is going, arrives in time and his body position forces him to control the ball with the outside of his foot on a bouncing ball on the rise. While you would expect a better touch, i would think that the heavy touch would happen to lots of players on an identical play if they attempted it 10 times. Where his biggest mistake on that was was going all in rather than containing once the ball was lost. it was hard to tell but it looked like Sissoko and Sanchez both relaxed for a moment and even Winks who could have closed Lacazette (easier to see from behind the goal) was slow to react. So while he does get a major portion of the blame, it wasn't a brain fart on his part. it's easy to say in retrospect, but with his own teammates shifting, winning the ball back isn't as important as slowing the play down.

What i did like that i saw was on Toby's header. I missed it the first time around but watching the replays, you can see a great run. First off, he is completely unmarked 10 yards out in the center


sanchez makes a near post run which opens up the space for Aurier to fill. Mustafi had to cover him which opened up the gap for Toby to fill.

If you see the picture of the goal on Football London, it captures the problem he created for Mustafi too as it shows why Mustafi couldn't ignore him. terrible set piece defending for sure primarily leaving Aurier unmarked.

If we are going to honestly critique the guy, then we have to give plaudits where plaudits are due. I don't like him as a starting defender as he makes too many mental mistakes. But give credit where credit is due.

Hopefully the picture showed up. If not, look at the game highlights exactly at 80:48 and it is clear as day that he is completly unmarked. I found it on the NBC replay where they did the close up of the goal box

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Can’t agree with you on their goal it’s bad play all round and he should do so much better.

1) Very poor header clear (a nothing clearance back into play) could have just put it out of play and reset
2) Horrendous first touch when it came back to him
3) incredibly weak challenge. He was coming in from the front with all the ball to see. He should go in strong but goes in almost side foot and loses out.

Watch sissoko on the goal he barely moves a foot during all this as the calamity unfolds as he doesn’t have a clue what Aurier is doing or trying to achieve. They all expect him to go in hard on Lacazette and win the ball to transition forward.
 

cozzo

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Lacazette scored a worldly, I wouldn’t be too much on Aurier’s case for that goal. Plus Xhaka was clever as he blocked Aurier from getting back at Lacazette. But all in all I struggle to blame players when goals like that are scored. The same if Davies has scored from his long shot, can’t really blame anyone.
 

Inq

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Think auriers position is probably one of our biggest problems right now. Its shitty because I actually like the lad. But he is more suited to a 5 at the back formation where he can afford to maraud forward more without leaving gaping holes behind him. Causing sissoko to slot into these gaps. And right now I’d say sissoko is as much a right back as aurier is and it’s leaving an even bigger whole in the midfield.

We need a RB that’s better well rounded for the position and can offer more defensively
 

brasil_spur

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I thought he had a much better game yesterday and as a whole has been improving under JM. He was a little at fault for the goal but Lacazette had far too much time on the ball to get that shot off and someone should have come in to close him down quicker as Serge was dealing with defending against two players in the build up.

In an ideal world we would look for more stability in this position, but I don't think we're going to find a player like that for less than £20m, which is probably going to mean it's out of budget.
 

Tucker

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He had improved under Mourinho, and had some quite decent games before the lockdown, but since the restart he’s been a liability. He makes game changing mistakes week in week out, some times we get away with it, most of the time we don’t.

I do think he (and the rest of the team) would look much better with a proper defensive midfielder in the team. I don’t think he’s really good enough though, and he shouldn’t be first choice in his position. If we can sell him for a decent price or swap him for someone else, we shouldn’t hesitate. If we can’t, and end up having to keep him, he should be fighting for his place with someone else. Having only one dedicated right back at the club isn’t doing him or us any favours.
 

baldinyid

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Lacazette scored a worldly, I wouldn’t be too much on Aurier’s case for that goal. Plus Xhaka was clever as he blocked Aurier from getting back at Lacazette. But all in all I struggle to blame players when goals like that are scored. The same if Davies has scored from his long shot, can’t really blame anyone.
Agree, it's a wonder strike. That said, the mistake that lead to the goal started from Aurier, not to mention other mistakes which lead to other chances for them.
Aurier is improving but I very much doubt he will eradicate those mistakes from his game.
 

jaycey

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I don't think he's improving. He's looks one of our fittest players and runs tirelessly through the game. Unfortunately, he doesn't have the skill to back-up that fitness. It looks like opponents almost don't bother to mark him because they know any ball he receives will 99% of the time go to waste.
 

matthew.absurdum

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Breaking | Tottenham right-back Serge Aurier’s brother has been shot dead in Toulouse at around 05:00 this morning, according to Le Point & Europe 1. More follows.

 

Eric_s

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Their first goal is down to Winks switching off allowing their striker to strike under little pressure. Aurier have done what he could. Those saying his positioning is wrong and poor touch blah blah, you are having a laugh.
 

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Breaking | Tottenham right-back Serge Aurier’s brother has been shot dead in Toulouse at around 05:00 this morning, according to Le Point & Europe 1. More follows.



Bloody hell.

Can’t expect him to be playing for the rest of the season now.
 

Eric_s

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I don't think he's improving. He's looks one of our fittest players and runs tirelessly through the game. Unfortunately, he doesn't have the skill to back-up that fitness. It looks like opponents almost don't bother to mark him because they know any ball he receives will 99% of the time go to waste.
You don't see him getting marked by our opponents? Are you the chairman of the visually impaired football fans association?
 
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