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nailsy

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My only comments ref Sessegnon is " another one injured most of the time " either we are not doing due diligence or we are the most unlucky club regard injuries not just this year but previously as well .
As we can all see it pretty much does not matter this year but in the future the signing of players with an injury record has to stop my memory tells me his record ref injuries at Fulham is pretty much reflected in his short time with us .

He missed three league games last season. He played every game the season before that. The injury he picked in the summer was his first major injury.
 

razzmaster

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For all of those saying he is not a full back, the same was said about Ashley Cole when he broke through. He played as an attacking midfielder or winger in his early days but became a world class full back who's main strength was defending. I'm not saying Sessegnon will do the same but defending can be coached and he has shown he has a good mentality so it's way too early to make sweeping statements about a 19yr old. Personally I think he will turn into a top left back within a couple of years but only time will tell.
 

spursfan77

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He missed three league games last season. He played every game the season before that. The injury he picked in the summer was his first major injury.

We sign him then he struggles. Hamstring injuries are like that. Took Dele a year to recover and play regularly and we’ve no idea if he’s still carrying it this season. Something to bare in mind with Kane when he returns.
 

paddieu

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if you watch his goals and assists on the net [and i watched him quite often with fulham]
you can see that :

(a) he has a great eye/mind for space and positioning up front. so he makes runs into spaces where,
if he is given the ball, he can then create a cross (and unlike most of our players, can then calmly pick out a man !)
or make a key pass when moving diagonally into the middle.

or time his movements to come inside to score the tap-ins [a la Sterling] that someone was deriding on here.

he also has a hard shot on him.

(b) he doesnt really have dribbling skills per se, compared to Saka at Woolwich, for example

(c) he doesnt really have any especially useful defending skills



So for me he'll never be a great full back.
He could at a pinch and if properly supported be a good wingback

But what he does have, which is actually of inestimable value, is a brain that works well
offensively, with the kind of skills people used to describe, when referring to a goal poacher,
as 'intuitive'/ 'can't be taught' etc.

In order for us to use this talent properly, players need to spot his runs and release him,
and also look across the box from the RHS to see where he is [think Aurier and Jan vs Dortmund]

If we dont have the nous to do this [with all the aforementioned video evidence that exists] then we deserve what we'll get from the purchase - slightly more than fuck-all.
 

daryl hannah

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if you watch his goals and assists on the net [and i watched him quite often with fulham]
you can see that :

(a) he has a great eye/mind for space and positioning up front. so he makes runs into spaces where,
if he is given the ball, he can then create a cross (and unlike most of our players, can then calmly pick out a man !)
or make a key pass when moving diagonally into the middle.

or time his movements to come inside to score the tap-ins [a la Sterling] that someone was deriding on here.

he also has a hard shot on him.

(b) he doesnt really have dribbling skills per se, compared to Saka at Woolwich, for example

(c) he doesnt really have any especially useful defending skills



So for me he'll never be a great full back.
He could at a pinch and if properly supported be a good wingback

But what he does have, which is actually of inestimable value, is a brain that works well
offensively, with the kind of skills people used to describe, when referring to a goal poacher,
as 'intuitive'/ 'can't be taught' etc.

In order for us to use this talent properly, players need to spot his runs and release him,
and also look across the box from the RHS to see where he is [think Aurier and Jan vs Dortmund]

If we dont have the nous to do this [with all the aforementioned video evidence that exists] then we deserve what we'll get from the purchase - slightly more than fuck-all.
With Son and now Berwijn on the left, and Moura and Lamela supposedly on the right, his opportunities will be limited up top. At left back, Tanganga and Davies are ahead of him, with Cirkin knocking on the door (apparently). I'm really not sure why we bought him.

It's a bit different to Jack Clarke as Clarke is seemingly a little younger and also a bright prospect, without the confusion surrounding his best position - so I can see why we bought him, albeit not working out right now it seems.

Just a bit perplexing.

What would be best would be to see Sess in the cup and give him some decent match time even if from the 60 minute mark.
 

wrd

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I wouldnt mind trying that formation from the weekend again but with Sess at LWB.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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Jul 10, 2008
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The guy has shown a
if you watch his goals and assists on the net [and i watched him quite often with fulham]
you can see that :

(a) he has a great eye/mind for space and positioning up front. so he makes runs into spaces where,
if he is given the ball, he can then create a cross (and unlike most of our players, can then calmly pick out a man !)
or make a key pass when moving diagonally into the middle.

or time his movements to come inside to score the tap-ins [a la Sterling] that someone was deriding on here.

he also has a hard shot on him.

(b) he doesnt really have dribbling skills per se, compared to Saka at Woolwich, for example

(c) he doesnt really have any especially useful defending skills



So for me he'll never be a great full back.
He could at a pinch and if properly supported be a good wingback

But what he does have, which is actually of inestimable value, is a brain that works well
offensively, with the kind of skills people used to describe, when referring to a goal poacher,
as 'intuitive'/ 'can't be taught' etc.

In order for us to use this talent properly, players need to spot his runs and release him,
and also look across the box from the RHS to see where he is [think Aurier and Jan vs Dortmund]

If we dont have the nous to do this [with all the aforementioned video evidence that exists] then we deserve what we'll get from the purchase - slightly more than fuck-all.

He’s 20 yrs old though. Plenty of tune to develop the defensive awareness and physicality to be a top class fullback. He everything else required.

I find It insane he’s being written off in this thread. I don’t think people realised we signed one of the most highly sought after young players in world football. We paid for potential though fans need to lower their expectations if you thought he would come in and smash it from the off.
 

brasil_spur

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Aug 25, 2006
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With Son and now Berwijn on the left, and Moura and Lamela supposedly on the right, his opportunities will be limited up top. At left back, Tanganga and Davies are ahead of him, with Cirkin knocking on the door (apparently). I'm really not sure why we bought him.

We bought him when we didn't have Bergwijn and Tanganga wasn't a first team player, so at the time it made a lot of sense.

Also he just turned 20 this week, so we shouldn't be expecting more than 5-10 starting appearances and 20-25 starting appearances from him at this age, which i think is feasible even if his main position becomes LW.

If he does develop into a LWB and we play with that formation then he could easily jump ahead of both Davies and Tanganga in a season or two's time.
 

Timberwolf

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Jan 17, 2008
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The guy has shown a


He’s 20 yrs old though. Plenty of tune to develop the defensive awareness and physicality to be a top class fullback. He everything else required.

I find It insane he’s being written off in this thread. I don’t think people realised we signed one of the most highly sought after young players in world football. We paid for potential though fans need to lower their expectations if you thought he would come in and smash it from the off.
Yeah - anyone who makes statements like "he'll never make it in X position" are jumping to conclusions.

While he might not be a completely natural fit for fullback like Wan-Bissaka, you could say the same for tons of players who were converted into fullbacks/other positions.

Ashley Young, Valencia, Victor Moses, Evra and Alaba, all started out as wingers and ended up further back.

Tons of young attacking midfielders like Scott Parker and Jon Obi Mikel ended up as successful DMs.

Dries Mertens was first put in his best position as a striker at about 29 years old.

I'm not saying Sessegnon will 100% make it at at Spurs but to write off a talented 20 year old after 1 injury-ridden season is insane.
 

bubble07

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He must be a very confused individual right now. He isnt considered a left back and isnt considered an attacking player. So what is he?

HE COST 25M
 

ILS

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I think he might go out on loan next season if the budget stretches to another left back. I can't see him being Jose's cup of tea.

Something you can't teach defenders is aggression and this lad has none of it. Leicester fans say the same for Chilwell which is the reason why he is so poor in one and one situations. Our two best full backs in recent years have been Walker and Rose and both of them had aggression in abundance and it has been always been apart of their game even when they were younger.

As I said many times on these boards having watched this lad a hell of lot since he was 16; I have never seen the hype. His strongest attribute is his finishing...which is sort of a problem if your manager thinks your best position is left back.
 

ikky

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He’s never replacing Son for the left AM slot and Jose won’t choose him over Davis for the LB slot. So God knows what his best position is and when he’ll play.
 

danielneeds

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I think he might go out on loan next season if the budget stretches to another left back. I can't see him being Jose's cup of tea.

Something you can't teach defenders is aggression and this lad has none of it. Leicester fans say the same for Chilwell which is the reason why he is so poor in one and one situations. Our two best full backs in recent years have been Walker and Rose and both of them had aggression in abundance and it has been always been apart of their game even when they were younger.

As I said many times on these boards having watched this lad a hell of lot since he was 16; I have never seen the hype. His strongest attribute is his finishing...which is sort of a problem if your manager thinks your best position is left back.
I think people rewrite history regarding Walker and Rose. They were both very flawed players before Poch got into them. Walker always had his awesome pace, but had loads of brain farts and Rose was hated by a lot of fans after he made an error against Arsenal and signed a new contract. Took them both time to delvelop.
 

ILS

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I think people rewrite history regarding Walker and Rose. They were both very flawed players before Poch got into them. Walker always had his awesome pace, but had loads of brain farts and Rose was hated by a lot of fans after he made an error against Arsenal and signed a new contract. Took them both time to delvelop.
I'm not saying they were flawless especially when they first joined us? My point is people have compared him to Ashley Cole in respect of moving back from midfield to defence. Ashley Cole like Walker and Rose have a natural aggressive streak in them which has always been apart of their game. Sessegnon is a softy and thinks he is a left winger.

Will he be a premiership player? of course the lad has ability but even when he was scoring in the play off semi final against Derby and was being raved about by Sky. If you actually watched the game he did sod all apart from score. When I watched him for England Under 21's he was technically inferior then every other attacking player on the pitch. This isn't just an opinion I have based on his spurs performances but since he first broke through.

I have been wrong before and maybe wrong again but there is something about him I just don't get.
 
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wrd

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In all seriousness, Jose doesn't see Sess as a LB in the sense of Davies in the defensive role, he has said before he can see him doing the Aurier type role. We've suffered injuries to Foyth and Tanganga and therefore we can't reverse it unless we want to try somebody like Alderweireld there.
 
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