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Player Watch: Rodrigo Bentancur

Crow

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TheVoiceofReason

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I’d be curious to know how the ban has been received by Korean fans of the PL/Spurs, does anybody have any insight?
 

Yid121

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Can we appeal it? Surely we do

I accept a ban is required but it feels very over the top, I'd accept a 5 game ban and a higher fine.

The punishment feels wrong, it's punishing the club more than the player who made the comments when the fine for him is low and we as a club didn't do anything wrong
 
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Donki

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Shouldn’t be surprising anymore seeing as he’s been with us for 10 years. But always shocked at how well measured Davies’ words are, hopefully the chat about him doing his coaching badges are true because he could definitely have a future as a coach.
Top pro, gets far too much shit on here. Not a worldy by any means but I cannot really remember him having a total stinker of a game. Hope he sees his days out with us ans as you say continues on as a coach.
 

Mark_147

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I'm a free speech absolutist, so I completely disagree with the idea that simply offensive speech should be punished, whether by the government or quasi-governmental actors like the FA. That's just my view, though, and I recognize it departs from what most people think.
Go to someone's house and say something offensive, they take offence and tell you to leave, you say no I'm not leaving freedom of speech. They'd say my house my rules so fuck off!
 

dontcallme

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Go to someone's house and say something offensive, they take offence and tell you to leave, you say no I'm not leaving freedom of speech. They'd say my house my rules so fuck off!
The analogy doesn't really work as Bentancur didn't say what he did in the FA's "house." He made the comments on TV in his own country.

While I believe he deserved punishment for what he said, the opposing view of whether he should be punished by the FA is valid.
 

spurs9

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I’d honestly be surprised if a] they knew about it and b] if they gave a shit.
You obviously didn't see the comments on our official social media pages at the time, because they definitely give a shit.
 

Chimbo!

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The punishment is what it is. I think it’s important to respect the 7-game ban because if we question it or complain that it’s unfair, we are undermining the point: that racism in all forms is wrong and unacceptable.

I understand why people might think the ban is excessive but that is a debate for another time. The fact that Enzo Fernandez has gotten away with his appalling behaviour because he was protected by international duty is both a damning indictment of football’s stupid governing bodies, and also completely irrelevant to Bentancur’s case.
 

robotsonic

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The punishment is what it is. I think it’s important to respect the 7-game ban because if we question it or complain that it’s unfair, we are undermining the point: that racism in all forms is wrong and unacceptable.

I understand why people might think the ban is excessive but that is a debate for another time. The fact that Enzo Fernandez has gotten away with his appalling behaviour because he was protected by international duty is both a damning indictment of football’s stupid governing bodies, and also completely irrelevant to Bentancur’s case.
Absolutely this. He and we have to take it on the chin because it's the only way that this type of thinking and behaviour stops, by educating people to be considerate and to educate them as to why.

If we appeal, which we won't, we'd look deservedly dreadful. That Enzo hasn't been punished is the joke, but we have to take our medicine and coach players better on the values expected if you want to represent this club. At the end of the day, given what's at stake, we need to support players better in how to act and have fallen short in not having done so, and so the club looks and is stupid.

Ridiculous that it's taken so long though to get this acted on. No excuse for that at all. This should have been served the first 7 games of the season. As has been said, it's just dragged up a matter already internally put to bed for no good reason at all. If anything it would have had greater impact to have announced the ban the same week as it happened. You say this stupid shit, you're banned immediately.
 

MR_BEN

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My 6 year old son will sometimes comment on seeing someone at the stadium who ‘looks like Son’, also when we are watching on TV. I’m not really sure how to respond to this tbh, as it’s completely innocent.
Are we not allowed to say people look alike anymore? 😩
 

MR_BEN

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The punishment is what it is. I think it’s important to respect the 7-game ban because if we question it or complain that it’s unfair, we are undermining the point: that racism in all forms is wrong and unacceptable.

I understand why people might think the ban is excessive but that is a debate for another time. The fact that Enzo Fernandez has gotten away with his appalling behaviour because he was protected by international duty is both a damning indictment of football’s stupid governing bodies, and also completely irrelevant to Bentancur’s case.
That’s bull.

You can challenge the severity or consistency of a punishment without undermining the fight against racism.

It’s doesn’t even have to be an appeal to shortern the ban, but at the very least we should be highlighting other cases - and demanding that they are dealt with in a similar and consistent manner.
 
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MR_BEN

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From the BBC article:

"The incident happened in his own time and so, as he plays in England, fell under the jurisdiction of the FA - unlike the situation involving Chelsea midfielder Enzo Fernandez."

Oh fuck off, he was with Uruguay, the FA are an absolute farce. God forbid they have to reprimand a Chelsea player for an even worse offense.
Wasn’t Enzo’s in his own time given the tournament had ended?
 

Sarsipius

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Intent pLays a significant and vital part in interpreting the law and determining a culprit's intent is key to awarding a satisfactory punishment.

For example there's a difference between intentionally murdering someone and accidentally murdering someone.

As Reginald D Hunter astutely points out, racism has the same spectrum and derives from intention.

Did Rodrigo say what he said to abuse Sonny and all Korean/Asian people out of a hatred of those people? Or did he say something meant in jest about a team mate and friend (and frankly not that offensive) in an off the cuff manor which he no doubt instantly regretted and subsequently apologised for?

Sorry but the punishment in no way fits the crime as has been pointed out with comparative cases and only serves to make the FA look more ridiculous than it already is.

A three match ban and a fine to be donated to an anti racism charity would have been the sensible option here.
 
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Sarsipius

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My 6 year old son will sometimes comment on seeing someone at the stadium who ‘looks like Son’, also when we are watching on TV. I’m not really sure how to respond to this tbh, as it’s completely innocent.
Next he'll be telling us the emperor's not wearing any clothes!
 

sidford

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Hopefully we don't appeal and just accept the ban. He said what he said and we all know it was racist. As a club and fan base we should be above whataboutery and per the rules that are in place the minimum is 6 games. He put forward a terrible excuse for it at the tribunal which he had never said before then in any of his apologies and the tribunal took a dim view of that.
Don't blame the tribunal, the rules or anything else but Bentancur for making a racist comment. What happened is due to him and no one else.
Take the punishment and move on. Anything else is just embarrassing (see Liverpool for examples of that)
 

TPdYID

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As a club and fan base we should be above whataboutery
Isn't it a matter of fairness? Surely as a fan and member of society you champion what is fair? I don't see people trying to dodge the bullet, merely highlighting other cases of where double standards are at play.
 
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