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al_pacino

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Oliver Skipp is 19 years old are people suggesting he should be playing regularly and because he isn't his career has been ruined?

It's fine now but in a years time he can't be in the same position. Playing 13 games over 2 years like KWP has will harm his career, they need to play real games.
 

AnotherSpursFan

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Oliver Skipp is 19 years old are people suggesting he should be playing regularly and because he isn't his career has been ruined?
He could not go out on loan, hes not playing any football at all, no youth football, no game time , nothing and you expect him to improve just by training? What sports are we in, bodybuilding?

At his age he needs to have as much experience as he could get on the field to improve. We have severly stunted his growth, if this is not destroying his career then what is it.

Jordan Sancho made a right choice, he would have still been training if he joined us instead of Dortmund.
 

Ronwol196061

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Apr 9, 2018
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This is classic Poch.He is a kid that showed initiative from his first games. Initiative is what we need but Poch prefers robots. Skipp is a quality footballer that needed maybe to add a bit of muscle. He played as a DM but to me looks more suited central. So far another wasted potential talent
 

scat1620

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If I was an in-demand youth footballer and had been keeping myself informed as to where I could make the best career for myself, Spurs would be right near the bottom of my list of clubs to sign for. We're a club where promising careers go to die train.
 

Ronwol196061

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Poch has been a brilliant salesman bringing quality footballers to the Lane.They believe in him. The problem is what happens right after that.
Maybe Encyclopedias door to door would be better
 

Archibald&Crooks

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He's 19 and hardly the answer to our problems

It's like throwing a lump of meat into a pool full of Piranha fish in here sometimes. The minute there's a perceived reason to put the knife into Pochettino, there's a massive over the top frenzy from certain people.

We're ruining his career my hairy paddle slapped arse. His career has barely even started, talk about over the top rubbish.

At different stages on SC we were ruining Winks' career we weren't doing Kane any favours but fuck him he's not going to make it, when is Rose going to get a chance or meh he's shit, we've spunked our money on that young Bale chap and so on and so forth.

Yeah, we're ruining Skipp's career. Based on............Well, there's nobody who knows his situation or what has been mapped out for him so I'm going to go with based on absolutely fuck all other than a desire to plunge the dagger in again.

:hungry:
 

doctor stefan Freud

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He's 19 and hardly the answer to our problems
We're ruining his career my hairy paddle slapped arse. His career has barely even started, talk about over the top rubbish.

At different stages on SC we were ruining Winks' career we weren't doing Kane any favours but fuck him he's not going to make it, when is Rose going to get a chance or meh he's shit, we've spunked our money on that young Bale chap and so on and so forth.

Yeah, we're ruining Skipp's career. Based on............Well, there's nobody who knows his situation or what has been mapped out for him so I'm going to go with based on absolutely fuck all other than a desire to plunge the dagger in again.

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Japhet

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Given the situation we're in, I find it hard to believe that the likes of Skipp or Tanganga could be any worse than some of the performances we've seen. They should at least be getting minutes off the bench. Meanwhile, over in the Transfers thread, all the talk is of how we need to buy a DM and a CB the second the January window opens.
 

Windwarden

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He's 19 and hardly the answer to our problems

It's like throwing a lump of meat into a pool full of Piranha fish in here sometimes. The minute there's a perceived reason to put the knife into Pochettino, there's a massive over the top frenzy from certain people.

We're ruining his career my hairy paddle slapped arse. His career has barely even started, talk about over the top rubbish.

At different stages on SC we were ruining Winks' career we weren't doing Kane any favours but fuck him he's not going to make it, when is Rose going to get a chance or meh he's shit, we've spunked our money on that young Bale chap and so on and so forth.

Yeah, we're ruining Skipp's career. Based on............Well, there's nobody who knows his situation or what has been mapped out for him so I'm going to go with based on absolutely fuck all other than a desire to plunge the dagger in again.

:hungry:

I do get that he’s not going to solve our problems, but without getting into any of the extremes of point of view ( saviour of the club, already ruined careers, dagger plunging, piranha fish, laser sharks) as I don’t yet feel quite that impassioned and don’t know what others have posted, how about thinking Skipp should be playing more regularly because among all our other failings, we’ve looked in need of a natural defensive midfielder, which winks and Sissoko aren‘t, he has been rated as far and away the most outstanding prospect at the club in that position and marked out by our academy coaches as being a cut above since his early teens /played well above his age for years, was just starting to translate some of that into his first team minutes, and I don’t think it’s too contentious to say that the alternatives we have, have been absolutely awful and contributed almost nothing for a long time (In Dier’ s case, well before the appendicitis and illness; I don’t want to get into a pro anti Dier thing with anyone - if people think he’s a good defensive mid, well, ok).

If a young player isn’t getting more game time, in these circumstances, I can’t see any situation in which he will, barring the entire squad going feral and deciding withdraw to the forests to live on coconut water and crickets. The justification I normally see that he can’t be performing in training is just as plucked out of thin air as any definitive idea of how good he would be if played regularly. This isn’t an attack on Poch but frustration with not giving a player a chance when the situation is crying out for it and change in general.

Maybe there is some master plan for him that s all proceeding smoothly but it’s the ‘avoid playing him at all costs’ segment of the plan that I’m not that keen on. if he was six inches taller and a worse footballer I think he’d be straight in the squad. This is the Skipp thread rather than the tottenham beung shit thread, so for me that’s the context for criticism.
 
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coys200

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It’s incredible the media actually still perceive we bring through kids. Was watching Sunday supplement and said something like it’s great to see Chelsea following from Spurs and bringing in the kids ?
 

ToDarrenIsToDo

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I f we'd played
KWP, Skipp and Tanganga more
we might not be
up to our necks in shit
in the first place.

Do you genuinely believe that? How's this one for you, if we'd have played KWP, Skipp and Tanganga more we could, by your theory be even worse off than we are now. I'd be hugely surprised if adding those 3 into our starting XI would have added more at this stage in their careers, KWP being the exception but clearly Poch ain't sure about him.
 
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JimmyG2

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Dec 7, 2006
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Do you genuinely believe that? How's this one for you, if we'd have played KWP, Skipp and Tanganga more we could, by your theory be even worse off than we are now. I'd be hugely surprised if adding those 3 into our starting XI would have added more at this stage in their careers, KWP being the exception but clearly Poch ain't sure about him.
No I just write rubbish
to wind you people up-

I said 'we might not be'
and since we are struggling
it makes sense to me
to look to our own
for the immediate situation
instead of getting excited
about some foreign 'ace'
who may not settle
or take a season or two to adapt.

And I said 'play more'
not be introduced
into the starting eleven.

I don't know
and nor do you
but it seems sensible
to give it a go.
 

Ronwol196061

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I do get that he’s not going to solve our problems, but without getting into any of the extremes of point of view ( saviour of the club, already ruined careers, dagger plunging, piranha fish, laser sharks) as I don’t yet feel quite that impassioned and don’t know what others have posted, how about thinking Skipp should be playing more regularly because among all our other failings, we’ve looked in need of a natural defensive midfielder, which winks and Sissoko aren‘t, he has been rated as far and away the most outstanding prospect at the club in that position and marked out by our academy coaches as being a cut above since his early teens /played well above his age for years, was just starting to translate some of that into his first team minutes, and I don’t think it’s too contentious to say that the alternatives we have, have been absolutely awful and contributed almost nothing for a long time (In Dier’ s case, well before the appendicitis and illness; I don’t want to get into a pro anti Dier thing with anyone - if people think he’s a good defensive mid, well, ok).

If a young player isn’t getting more game time, in these circumstances, I can’t see any situation in which he will, barring the entire squad going feral and deciding withdraw to the forests to live on coconut water and crickets. The justification I normally see that he can’t be performing in training is just as plucked out of thin air as any definitive idea of how good he would be if played regularly. This isn’t an attack on Poch but frustration with not giving a player a chance when the situation is crying out for it and change in general.

Maybe there is some master plan for him that s all proceeding smoothly but it’s the ‘avoid playing him at all costs’ segment of the plan that I’m not that keen on. if he was six inches taller and a worse footballer I think he’d be straight in the squad. This is the Skipp thread rather than the tottenham beung shit thread, so for me that’s the context for criticism.

I don't see Skipp as a DM (nor Winks) They are not powerful enough.
If NDombele and Lo Celso are doing their best work going forward then whats needed is a real top notch enforcer in the DM spot.
I do think that Winks and Skipp can be great in the central roles.I personally like Skipp better but Winks needs to show more from the many times more we have used him where Skipp gets almost no chances at all
 

JimmyG2

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Dec 7, 2006
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He's 19 and hardly the answer to our problems

It's like throwing a lump of meat into a pool full of Piranha fish in here sometimes. The minute there's a perceived reason to put the knife into Pochettino, there's a massive over the top frenzy from certain people.

We're ruining his career my hairy paddle slapped arse. His career has barely even started, talk about over the top rubbish.

At different stages on SC we were ruining Winks' career we weren't doing Kane any favours but fuck him he's not going to make it, when is Rose going to get a chance or meh he's shit, we've spunked our money on that young Bale chap and so on and so forth.

Yeah, we're ruining Skipp's career. Based on............Well, there's nobody who knows his situation or what has been mapped out for him so I'm going to go with based on absolutely fuck all other than a desire to plunge the dagger in again.

:hungry:
I like Pochettino
and want him to stay
and I voted so in the poll.

Nobody suggested that Skipp.
is the answer
to our problems
but he is possibly
part of the answer
as are other promising youngsters.

The other stuff you raise
and your 'hairy paddle- slapped arse'
are pure deflection and distraction
from the topic of Skipp's career.
 

Windwarden

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Aug 8, 2019
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I don't see Skipp as a DM (nor Winks) They are not powerful enough.
If NDombele and Lo Celso are doing their best work going forward then whats needed is a real top notch enforcer in the DM spot.
I do think that Winks and Skipp can be great in the central roles.I personally like Skipp better but Winks needs to show more from the many times more we have used him where Skipp gets almost no chances at all

Skipp has always been an out and out defensive midfielder, in the Kante mould, all through the age groups for as long as I’ve seen him anyway (I think I remember him getting a few appearances as a centre back but only to fill in but the more informed youth watchers Can probably correct me if I’m wrong). That’s his natural game and position. I think that because he’s also a very good footballer people who hadn’t seen much of him confused him with another winks or more advanced player, or thought of out and out dm as being a negative comment Reserved for less able footballers. Winks was never a defensive midfielder, but an industrious central midfielder, not particularly creative but very mature and aware in his game.

im not saying anything about how good skipp is, or criticising your opinion he’s not powerful enough just commenting on his position, natural game and what it has always been.

i like Skipp better just because I think he’s better in his position than winks is in his (and I like winks too, I just wish he had a bit more of what Carroll had in his passing game). He also looks to make very progressive passes, bit like Ndombele, which I don’t think winks does. I like skipp’s agility, like winks, I just want to see him being even more tenacious in his tackling. There’s a good video somewhere of him completely outplaying Jadon sancho, and stopping him affecting the game at all, though i think it’s a youth champions league one or whatever it’s called. Sancho looked really frustrated,
 

worcestersauce

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Jan 23, 2006
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He could not go out on loan, hes not playing any football at all, no youth football, no game time , nothing and you expect him to improve just by training? What sports are we in, bodybuilding?

At his age he needs to have as much experience as he could get on the field to improve. We have severly stunted his growth, if this is not destroying his career then what is it.

Jordan Sancho made a right choice, he would have still been training if he joined us instead of Dortmund.
It's no good quoting Sancho at me I was shouting ten years ago or more that young English players should be going abroad to develop their career but that's not relevant here. Maybe the club's and Skipp's timetable is different to yours.
 

mill

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May 21, 2007
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The issue as much as anything is the no football purgatory that Poch puts these players in, if he’s not gonna go on loan or play first then he could at least still play u23 football, the leading cup thing and the youth cl games
 

LSUY

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Loans. Desperately needed for these lads. Skipp should have 40 senior games under his belt, KWP should be approaching 100 by now.

Chelsea sent Mason Mount and Tammy Abraham out on loans to develop while we're letting our youngsters waste on the bench with a handful of minutes here and there. I know which system I prefer.
 

Ronwol196061

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He also looks to make very progressive passes, bit like Ndombele, which I don’t think winks does


I agree wih this 100%. I noticed when Skipp even first came in the first team,i saw that he understands space and that's the key for me.Spot the space,create the space etc is all good for me. I definitely agree with that who sentence even relative to NDombele and also Winks.
And yes Skipp did play the role and it was his position but watching him he is better when he is expanding his game and although creativity would allow him to see to tackle someone I feel he doesn't have to weight/power/strength whatever that part is.
I like the creative game when Poch came his strength was to develop a strong defence physically. I don't think Skipp is there.I think he is more creative that Winks and has more potential than Winks centrally. But don't see either of them really strong DMs
 

ralvy

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Jun 26, 2012
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Oliver Skipp is 19 years old are people suggesting he should be playing regularly and because he isn't his career has been ruined?

I don't know man, but I don't like visiting spurscommunity these days because people are always finding new ways to depress me about this team.
 
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