Player Watch Player Watch: Oliver Skipp

[Dirtysanchez6]

I don't reckon the Burnley game is enough to go on. He was our best player in the previous game in the cup against Norwich.

I might get egg on my face but I honestly think this kid has everything to make it in this Spurs team, especially in its current state.

Reckon the lad will be in the England squad within the next 2 years.

We will sign a dm in the summer so he won’t get a look in next season! He will more than likely be loaned out which is exactly what he needs and be great for his development!

 

[Dirtysanchez6]

No a world class might manage, but you're talking about very few who could cope. Maybe only the top 5. For all but the very best it's about team work and sticking to a plan. You need your teammates to do the work they're meant to do.

Now experience allows a player to decide, do I cover for the insane positioning of my other pivot? Or do I stick to my job?... and to that i don't have an answer.

Like I said it works both ways skipp didn’t do much at all in that game so ndombele cant take all the slack! Ndombele is box to box so he needs to track back of course but with a good dm they will have the positional sense to mop up attacks quickly and play a ball to ndombele to break!

 

[thekneaf]

Like I said it works both ways skipp didn’t do much at all in that game so ndombele cant take all the slack! Ndombele is box to box so he needs to track back of course but with a good dm they will have the positional sense to mop up attacks quickly and play a ball to ndombele to break!

They were both to blame, but I think it's incorrect to call skipp the DM and Ndombele box to box in that 3-4-3 formation. Both essentially have the same responsibility and are expected to work in tandem.

I don't seek to blame Ndombele exclusively, all I wanted to do was highlight there were exceptional circumstances.

There have also been high profile games where Skipp has looked dominant.

 

[Timberwolf]

We will sign a dm in the summer so he won’t get a look in next season! He will more than likely be loaned out which is exactly what he needs and be great for his development!

If we do sign an obvious first choice DM then yeah I'm with you. Get him out on loan and let him get a full season under his belt.

Not convinced we'll be doing much business this summer, though.

 

[Dirtysanchez6]

They were both to blame, but I think it's incorrect to call skipp the DM and Ndombele box to box in that 3-4-3 formation. Both essentially have the same responsibility and are expected to work in tandem.

I don't seek to blame Ndombele exclusively, all I wanted to do was highlight there were exceptional circumstances.

There have also been high profile games where Skipp has looked dominant.

What games has he looked dominate in ? The guy needs a loan it’s incredible people think he is ready to be threw in ... loan to develop physically and mentally to first team football week in week out! Is he ready to start for a team fighting for honours ? Absolutely not! We want to challenge and he isn’t ready for that yet! Most games I can remember we have actually been on the back foot and over run with skipp! Of the top of my head even though we won the game against Leicester last season we got totally over run in midfield and very lucky to get a win .... Burnley game already been discussed and someone said he was the best player on the pitch v Norwich ? We got completely battered in that game too and over run in cm! We need a top dm we’re we are right now not skipp or winks or that matter! He looks tidy on the ball but there is a lot more to that position that being tidy on the ball

 

[Japhet]

Considering we have been desperate for a DM all season and he has played a total of 57 mins all season in the PL under 2 different managers would suggest to me he is some way off being our starting DM.

Personally, I hope we keep him as a rotation DM and bring in someone like Florentino Luis.

Says it all really. People seem to think they've seen enough of him in 57 minutes to determine whether he's any good or should be shipped out on loan or permanently. For my money, he was one of our best players in pre season against some good teams but has hardly had a chance to show what he can do in the EPL. Hard to understand given some of the dross we've seen in the middle of the pitch IMO and the obvious lack of defensive cover on view.

 

[Dirtysanchez6]

Says it all really. People seem to think they've seen enough of him in 57 minutes to determine whether he's any good or should be shipped out on loan or permanently. For my money, he was one of our best players in pre season against some good teams but has hardly had a chance to show what he can do in the EPL. Hard to understand given some of the dross we've seen in the middle of the pitch IMO and the obvious lack of defensive cover on view.

That stat just shows how much he needs a loan to be playing week in week out to develop ! Pre season is totally different to a competitive match also!

 

[Dirtysanchez6]

I’m only going to comment one last time on skipp because I’ve posted way too much ?! He has a lot of potential but I think when you look at some of the Chelsea boys who broke into the team this year their loans to the championship last season did wonders for them! I personally just feel skipp needs that exact sort of loan at this stage! Only my opinion of course and time will tell.

 

[thekneaf]

I've never argued against and fully agree with loans for almost all our U21 players. Just disagree with him being woeful. There was a CL game last year he did well in. Most of last season he looked good when called upon.

I wouldn't build a team around him yet, I just think he'll get there, has looked good if a bit positionally raw.

 

[Timberwolf]

I’m only going to comment one last time on skipp because I’ve posted way too much ?! He has a lot of potential but I think when you look at some of the Chelsea boys who broke into the team this year their loans to the championship last season did wonders for them! I personally just feel skipp needs that exact sort of loan at this stage! Only my opinion of course and time will tell.

Yeah that's a fair point. Do you not think it might be worth giving him a run in the team now though? This is surely the perfect time to find out whether he's ready to step up now or a loan would be the better option.

Winks is practically non-existent defensively and Dier, though he improved a lot over Jan/Feb, still doesn't look mobile enough to play as DM. The way I see it, we have nothing to lose in giving Skipp a run in the team. He'll only get better once he feels comfortable and settled, rather than being judged on the odd half chance here and there when he's thrown in at the deep end.

Even if it's just for the last 4-5 games it could make the world of difference to his development.

 

[dtxspurs]

I've never argued against and fully agree with loans for almost all our U21 players. Just disagree with him being woeful. There was a CL game last year he did well in. Most of last season he looked good when called upon.

I wouldn't build a team around him yet, I just think he'll get there, has looked good if a bit positionally raw.

He literally didn't play a single minute of Champions League football in the 18/19 season and played 31 minutes this season with 25 of that coming in garbage time in the second Bayern game after they were up 3-1.

 

[Japhet]

I’m only going to comment one last time on skipp because I’ve posted way too much ?! He has a lot of potential but I think when you look at some of the Chelsea boys who broke into the team this year their loans to the championship last season did wonders for them! I personally just feel skipp needs that exact sort of loan at this stage! Only my opinion of course and time will tell.

Luke Amos was ahead of Skipp but then went on loan. He picked up a knock but regardless of that, the loan doesn't seem to have done him any favours.

 

[Rusta81]

Luke Amos was ahead of Skipp but then went on loan. He picked up a knock but regardless of that, the loan doesn't seem to have done him any favours.

yea, I liked the look of Amos. Has he left permanently ?

 

[Japhet]

yea, I liked the look of Amos. Has he left permanently ?

Not that I know of although there are mumblings about him being part of a deal for Eze.

 

[Dirtysanchez6]

Luke Amos was ahead of Skipp but then went on loan. He picked up a knock but regardless of that, the loan doesn't seem to have done him any favours.

That’s were your wrong what it then does is show you they aren’t good enough if they can’t play to a decent standard at that level ! What you want us to just chuck average players in a team wanting to fight for top 4 and honours ? That’s the point of it they go gain experience of playing week in week out and if good enough it’ll show in the loan if not you sell them! With our aims you don’t throw players who can’t even play well in the championship into the team ! Unless you want ya to keep up this awful form and be mid table again

 

[Rusta81]

Not that I know of although there are mumblings about him being part of a deal for Eze.

Hmmm . Hopefully Eze can make a difference.. if he comes ? Looks like one for the future , all be it in a different position.

 

[alexis]

Luke Amos was ahead of Skipp but then went on loan. He picked up a knock but regardless of that, the loan doesn't seem to have done him any favours.

Squad: 31, Starting eleven: 19, Substituted in: 6, On the bench: 6, Suspended: 0, Injured: 0,
Not a failure by any means and is liked by the fans

 

[Japhet]

Squad: 31, Starting eleven: 19, Substituted in: 6, On the bench: 6, Suspended: 0, Injured: 0,
Not a failure by any means and is liked by the fans

My point was that Amos' loan hasn't advanced his prospects at Spurs. I think the same is likely to happen with Jaack Clarke.

 

[Timberwolf]

That’s were your wrong what it then does is show you they aren’t good enough if they can’t play to a decent standard at that level ! What you want us to just chuck average players in a team wanting to fight for top 4 and honours ? That’s the point of it they go gain experience of playing week in week out and if good enough it’ll show in the loan if not you sell them! With our aims you don’t throw players who can’t even play well in the championship into the team ! Unless you want ya to keep up this awful form and be mid table again

That's literally exactly what we did with Kane ?

 

[alexis]

My point was that Amos' loan hasn't advanced his prospects at Spurs. I think the same is likely to happen with Jaack Clarke.

Kane, Rose, Townsend, mason all had similar loans and they all talk about how beneficial it was. Players need the experience to progress with us or others. You won’t be able to see whether the loans truly benefited Them and us till later.