Player Watch Player Watch: Mikey Moore

[hughy]

I'll be more than happy with him getting 20-25 mins of cup football every few weeks to really test him in a competitive environment.

Definitely isn't ready to start yet IMO but he's had a fantastic pre-season all things considered.

 

[rossdapep]

Manchester City and £100k a week would be tempting.

he'll get that (salary) in a couple of years time the way he's going

 

[Romulus]

bear in mind he's not a rw and hasn't even really played there before.

yeah id love to see him centrally or from the left

 

[McFlash]

Because Cuti turning and steaming in probably had nothing to do with it?!

 

[bubble07]

This kid is so good. Would love him to start all our europa group games and atleast come on in all of them

 

[Shanks]

Bu.ped into his old man before the game, as we met during last seasons games. Brief hello, co granulated him on mikeys pre-season too.

Nice bloke to be fair, really humble, so hoping this kid does well this year, fully expecting him in as a first team player rather than u21's.

 

[Danny1]

Fantastic prospect and arguably our best, which is saying something considering the others he is up against. He isn’t a RW and looks a little lost out there. Put him on the left and he would instantly be a much better player.

We have some outrageous talent at our club and with Yang and Vuskovic still to come in 2025 it’s only getting stronger.

 

[rambu]

Today he turns 17, waiting for that official announcement.

 

[rossdapep]

Bu.ped into his old man before the game, as we met during last seasons games. Brief hello, co granulated him on mikeys pre-season too.

Nice bloke to be fair, really humble, so hoping this kid does well this year, fully expecting him in as a first team player rather than u21's.

Mikey Moore's father afterward

 

[Third Kit '87]

And spent the last 6 years of those 19 as a shadow of his former self, first struggling to impact games against PL opposition and then being rather underwhelming in MLS and the Championship.

Don't get me wrong, I think him and Owen both had a great careers. I just think better management of their early years could have allowed them to perform at their peak for longer. I thought Owen would become England's all-time top scorer. I thought Rooney, due to his technical ability and tactical awareness, could continue to excel at the top level into his mid-30s despite losing his pace.


That's a really good comparison, because they are both 38 now and made their PL debuts in the same season (2002-03). However, the early years of Milner's career were managed very differently to Rooney's:
In 2002-03, Milner played 18 games / 509 minutes in the PL, as a fringe player, and was consistently left out of the matchday squad at the back end of the season. Rooney played 33 games / 1586 minutes, becoming a regular starter and already having big expectations piled on him.
Rooney made his England debut that same season, at the age of 17, while Milner waited another 6 years to make his England debut at 23.
Over their first three seasons (2002-05), Rooney played 50% more football than Milner.
Following two seasons in the starting XI for Everton, Rooney went to Euro 2004 with the weight of the nation on his shoulders. Milner was sat at home resting.
In his third season, Rooney was a marquee signing and key player in the starting XI for a team competing to win the PL and the CL. Milner was a squad player for a team that finished 14th in the PL.

By 2016, it was clear that Rooney was in decline, along with much of an aging Man Utd squad that achieved their worst league finish in the PL era. Conversely, Milner spent the next few years as a key player for a Liverpool team that was challenging for major titles. Milner won the PL and CL after Rooney had been released on a free transfer, and is still playing in the PL six years (and counting) after Rooney dropped down to a lower league / three years (and counting) after Rooney retired.

It's very possible (perhaps even likely) that Rooney played more during his early years because he was a better player than Milner. It's also very possible that Milner playing less during those years has helped him to continue his career for longer.


I didn't say it's a pattern, but pointed out that the OP picked two players who's careers nose-dived prematurely as shining examples of players who went on to fulfil their potential due to playing lots at an early age. It's hardly an endorsement of how best to manage a young player's career.

This is a brilliant post- really illustrates the importance of managing minutes (and expectations) for young players like Moore. Excited to see him this season and the Europa league could be perfect intro to semi-regular first team minutes

 

[cliff jones]

Those saying miles off need to look more closely. He's got the lot, especially that belief he can mix it with the best in Europe already. If anything, I'd say he's a bit like Bergvall in needing Ange to keep him level,, keep it simple, don't try too hard to blow everyone away

 

[C1w8]

And spent the last 6 years of those 19 as a shadow of his former self, first struggling to impact games against PL opposition and then being rather underwhelming in MLS and the Championship.

Don't get me wrong, I think him and Owen both had a great careers. I just think better management of their early years could have allowed them to perform at their peak for longer. I thought Owen would become England's all-time top scorer. I thought Rooney, due to his technical ability and tactical awareness, could continue to excel at the top level into his mid-30s despite losing his pace.


That's a really good comparison, because they are both 38 now and made their PL debuts in the same season (2002-03). However, the early years of Milner's career were managed very differently to Rooney's:
In 2002-03, Milner played 18 games / 509 minutes in the PL, as a fringe player, and was consistently left out of the matchday squad at the back end of the season. Rooney played 33 games / 1586 minutes, becoming a regular starter and already having big expectations piled on him.
Rooney made his England debut that same season, at the age of 17, while Milner waited another 6 years to make his England debut at 23.
Over their first three seasons (2002-05), Rooney played 50% more football than Milner.
Following two seasons in the starting XI for Everton, Rooney went to Euro 2004 with the weight of the nation on his shoulders. Milner was sat at home resting.
In his third season, Rooney was a marquee signing and key player in the starting XI for a team competing to win the PL and the CL. Milner was a squad player for a team that finished 14th in the PL.

By 2016, it was clear that Rooney was in decline, along with much of an aging Man Utd squad that achieved their worst league finish in the PL era. Conversely, Milner spent the next few years as a key player for a Liverpool team that was challenging for major titles. Milner won the PL and CL after Rooney had been released on a free transfer, and is still playing in the PL six years (and counting) after Rooney dropped down to a lower league / three years (and counting) after Rooney retired.

It's very possible (perhaps even likely) that Rooney played more during his early years because he was a better player than Milner. It's also very possible that Milner playing less during those years has helped him to continue his career for longer.


I didn't say it's a pattern, but pointed out that the OP picked two players who's careers nose-dived prematurely as shining examples of players who went on to fulfil their potential due to playing lots at an early age. It's hardly an endorsement of how best to manage a young player's career.

Owen is a bit different as the injuries did him in.

Messi and Ronaldo are shells of their former selves, theyre only playing because of their status not because theyre actually doing much on the pitch and theyve both been like that for a good few years now.

Rooney hit that stage lets say 4-5 years earlier than them but also really started racking up games maybe 2-3 years earlier so in the end his prime career was not necessarily much less than theirs.

It depends if you really value these years at the twilight of their careers but for me personally id rather have started younger whilst i had the legs, over being able to drag out a few extra years at the end of my career not playing well.

 

[DogsOfWar]

Those saying miles off need to look more closely. He's got the lot, especially that belief he can mix it with the best in Europe already. If anything, I'd say he's a bit like Bergvall in needing Ange to keep him level,, keep it simple, don't try too hard to blow everyone away

Totally agree.
He was the only wide man we had in pre-season that when receiving the ball under pressure either kept it or did something useful with it.
We should be starting him in Europa games and developing him as soon as possible.

 

[nferno]

i just fucking love how Romero is always on smoke for us please sign a new contract and stay forever

 

[murichej]

Moore was defending Lankshear in that burst I think. I love this.

 

[theShiznit]

Moore was defending Lankshear in that burst I think. I love this.

Yeah it was just after Lankshear did someone in the corner and Coman came steaming in.

 

[kd2000]

Something seemed a little different yesterday.
It's almost like he had more belief he belongs at this level.
Strange to say but previously it was like he played like a boy and yesterday a man.

I know he didn't have a massive impact but to my eyes he seemed to play with a level of belief whereby he wasn't going to give the ball away easily, the defender would need to better him, and strangely for a 16 year old, there were times two defenders converged on him

 

[Goobers]

I have no idea how best his development is dealt with ? Do you leave him with the first team constantly now ?

 

[mark87]

 

[mark87]

Okay yes, very nice, now fucking announce it