Player Watch Player Watch: Micky van de Ven

[Rout-Ledge]

Same comment comes up every time we have a player playing really well.

For good reason.

 

[Yantino]

For good reason.

Not really. It's a bit boring IMO and doesn't really add anything to the discussion.

x player is playing well. We better enjoy as he'll be off to RM next season. Rinse and repeat.

 

[SpursSince1980]

He's like Jan Vertonghen with rocket boosters.

Wonderful description!

 

[SpursSince1980]

I don't want to sound hyperbolic, but has there ever been a CB like him?

I'm 28 - so maybe some older fans can enlighten me.

In terms of pace, Des Walker comes to mind. But Des was not nearly as physical or good on the ball. Plus his reading of the game could be hit and miss. Explains why once he lost some of that pace, he rarely played for England again after the age of 29. [Des spent a big chunk of his career at Forrest. Alongside Stuart Pearce].

 

[Rout-Ledge]

Not really. It's a bit boring IMO and doesn't really add anything to the discussion.

x player is playing well. We better enjoy as he'll be off to RM next season. Rinse and repeat.

This comment was made in response to a forward looking comment about him being captain one day, and that if we want to keep players like him we’ll have to move up in the world. You may not like it but it’s completely accurate.

 

[SpursSince1980]

This comment was made in response to a forward looking comment about him being captain one day, and that if we want to keep players like him we’ll have to move up in the world. You may not like it but it’s completely accurate.

Is it though? I can only think of two players we have “lost” since Bale went to Madrid in 2014\15. One was Kyle Walker. The other is Kane. But it is hard to argue we lost the latter. It was a situational decision. He’d already given us eight amazing seasons. And if he had forced the move through to City, that would have been a loss. But Levy stood firm. Then Bayern come along and offer us 90m for a player about to turn thirty in the last year of his contract and had no interest in staying once he was a free agent.

We aren’t that club anymore.

 

[Rob]

Is it though? I can only think of two players we have “lose” since Bale went to Madrid in 2014\15. One was Kyle Walker. The other is Kane. But it is hard to argue we lost the latter. It was a situational decision. He’d already given us eight amazing seasons. And if he had forced the move through to City, that would have been a loss. But Levy stood firm. Then Bayern come along and offer us 90m for a player about to turn thirty in the last year of his contract and had no interest in staying once he was a free agent.

We aren’t that club anymore.

Alternatively, which top player did we manage to keep despite interest from a top club?

Son's the only one on the list and I think that's quite a special case given how we handled his military service and the loyalty that earned us.
Man U coming for Toby at a push maybe but was never that serious.

I'm under no illusions that Madrid haven't already started the ball rolling on Romero...

 

[Trix]

Question if we put Davies in at CB is who plays LB when Spence isn't registered.

If he keeps up his current form I wouldn't be surprised if he gets registered for the latter stages should we progress and a keeper drops out.

 

[talkshowhost86]

In terms of pace, Des Walker comes to mind. But Des was not nearly as physical or good on the ball. Plus his reading of the game could be hit and miss. Explains why once he lost some of that pace, he rarely played for England again after the age of 29. [Des spent a big chunk of his career at Forrest. Alongside Stuart Pearce].

Still...goal for Spurs in a cup final...you can't argue with that.

 

[dontcallme]

Alternatively, which top player did we manage to keep despite interest from a top club?

Son's the only one on the list and I think that's quite a special case given how we handled his military service and the loyalty that earned us.
Man U coming for Toby at a push maybe but was never that serious.

I'm under no illusions that Madrid haven't already started the ball rolling on Romero...

For me, that’s the point.

We don’t lose or keep players because of our CL status.

It’s pretty much only when an elite club comes in big for one of our players.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

Is it though? I can only think of two players we have “lose” since Bale went to Madrid in 2014\15. One was Kyle Walker. The other is Kane. But it is hard to argue we lost the latter. It was a situational decision. He’d already given us eight amazing seasons. And if he had forced the move through to City, that would have been a loss. But Levy stood firm. Then Bayern come along and offer us 90m for a player about to turn thirty in the last year of his contract and had no interest in staying once he was a free agent.

We aren’t that club anymore.

That’s true, but it’s also because we were actually competitive in the years from 2015 up until Conte’s implosion. I have no doubt that we will do our best to hold on to our best players, but we can’t force them to sign new contracts. And genuinely top players won’t sign new contracts if we’re not looking like competing for the highest honours.

 

[Rob]

For me, that’s the point.

We don’t lose or keep players because of our CL status.

It’s pretty much only when an elite club comes in big for one of our players.

I think my point was that we've lost almost every top player we've had but in recent years we've not had too many of them. No one's caught the eye of Madrid, etc so we've not been tested.

 

[dontcallme]

I think my point was that we've lost almost every top player we've had but in recent years we've not had too many of them. No one's caught the eye of Madrid, etc so we've not been tested.

Which is exactly my point.

 

[Yantino]

Anyway. That Van Der Ven is some player, eh?

Wonderful!

 

[Rout-Ledge]

I think my point was that we've lost almost every top player we've had but in recent years we've not had too many of them. No one's caught the eye of Madrid, etc so we've not been tested.

I think this is partly right, but equally when we’re in a strong position (competing at the top of the league) and we have our top players tied to long contracts then the elite clubs will only make a move if they DESPERATELY want to sign one of them, because they know it will come at the expense of a summer long transfer saga and a huge fee. Even Kane didn’t attract serious interest until we became less competitive and his contract began to run down.

 

[Mr Pink]

I think my point was that we've lost almost every top player we've had but in recent years we've not had too many of them. No one's caught the eye of Madrid, etc so we've not been tested.

But we keep a lot them for several seasons before losing them, Modric, Bale, Kane obviously.....thats the point.

We dont lose them on the first season of being good.

 

[Styopa]

Alternatively, which top player did we manage to keep despite interest from a top club?

Son's the only one on the list and I think that's quite a special case given how we handled his military service and the loyalty that earned us.
Man U coming for Toby at a push maybe but was never that serious.

I'm under no illusions that Madrid haven't already started the ball rolling on Romero...

Some players might simply be less inclined to seek a transfer. For instance, players like Lloris, Vertonghen, and Eriksen could have pursued moves to more successful clubs during their prime, but they may have felt satisfied with their current situation, even though Eriksen did eventually make a move. Kane, too, might have left sooner, but as a Tottenham lad, he was willing to give the team a chance. If any of them had seriously pursued a transfer or had their heads turned, the outcomes might have been quite different.

 

[Marty]

If he keeps up his current form I wouldn't be surprised if he gets registered for the latter stages should we progress and a keeper drops out.

Yeah but that's what we should've done anyway and it doesn't help us for the next seven games in that competition.

 

[djhotspur]

I think my point was that we've lost almost every top player we've had but in recent years we've not had too many of them. No one's caught the eye of Madrid, etc so we've not been tested.

Apart from Kane to Bayern I guess

 

[Styopa]

But we keep a lot them for several seasons before losing them, Modric, Bale, Kane obviusly.....thats the point.

We dont lose them on the first season of being good.

I think that reflects where we are in the pecking order, in a sense we developed Modric and Bale for Real Madrid, and Walker for Man C, the same way as the clubs we bought those players from developed them for us.