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spursfan77

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He's done nothing wrong there. I hadn't re watched that. No foul, no free kick. The ref is at fault there.

It’s one of those, now after seeing it again, where one ref gives a free kick and another a throw on. At the time, I thought no free kick and do now. But some refs do give those and Aurier had given a similar one away earlier. I do think the ref had it in for him though. I wonder if there is any history between them. Ie. Bookings and red cards.
 

razzmaster

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He's done nothing wrong there. I hadn't re watched that. No foul, no free kick. The ref is at fault there.

One of the first things you learn as a defender is to get your body between the ball and the attacker. Same applies to any position on the pitch. The way to do this is with a good first touch, allowing you to be able to protect the ball.

Not only was it a bad first touch but Aurier also didn't try to protect the ball.

He was incredibly unlucky to concede the free kick but was guilty of schoolboy defending by allowing Snodgrass to nip in front and then fall over.
 

ComfortablyNumb

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Alright, you've obligated me to go find the video, clip it, and then upload it. He had a heavy first touch (not all that terrible mind - it was a difficult ball to deal with - but was still heavy) and then picks his head up to look up the pitch without having a clue where Snodgrass is. He belatedly realizes Snodgrass is going to challenge for the ball and moves to block him off with his left leg. There may have been slight contact with his left foot on Snodgrass' foot, but Snodgrass goes down like he's been shot. As I said, he compounded a heavy touch by jumping in to try and block off Snodgrass. In that position, at that time of the game, you just have to let him nip in ahead, and just defend. Don't give the opposition any chance to collapse, and don't give the referee a chance to award a free.

https://streamable.com/e/tpv8ci


18 times out of 20 that’s a throw to us. The other two it’s a foul either way. As others have said, Aurier tried too hard to retrieve the situation, but he’s done very little wrong there. This is certainly not a brain fart moment.
 

spursfan77

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One of the first things you learn as a defender is to get your body between the ball and the attacker. Same applies to any position on the pitch. The way to do this is with a good first touch, allowing you to be able to protect the ball.

Not only was it a bad first touch but Aurier also didn't try to protect the ball.

He was incredibly unlucky to concede the free kick but was guilty of schoolboy defending by allowing Snodgrass to nip in front and then fall over.

That’s the harshness of top level football right there.

I thought he looked tired from about the 70th minute and it’s when he should of been switched for Doherty. Maybe that played a part. Snodgrass was fresh and had only just come on. In fact, I’m sure it did.
 

razzmaster

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That’s the harshness of top level football right there.

I thought he looked tired from about the 70th minute and it’s when he should of been switched for Doherty. Maybe that played a part. Snodgrass was fresh and had only just come on. In fact, I’m sure it did.

Agreed. I think Jose made 3 poor subs in the game which also contributed to the collapse.
 

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We have lost 4 points at home as a result of supposed fouls given in the dying minutes of games . Refs are making poor desions and getting away with them. If the home fans were there would they have got them right?
 

BringBack_leGin

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We have lost 4 points at home as a result of supposed fouls given in the dying minutes of games . Refs are making poor desions and getting away with them. If the home fans were there would they have got them right?
Worst part is, a far more blatant penalty for hand ball than either Dier’sv Newcastle or Doherty’s v Southampton was not given in the Liverpool game yesterday as they’ve changed the rule to what it should’ve been. Imagine if we finish a point behind Liverpool instead of 2 points in front because of a penalty that was given under a rule which only applied for the first four matches of the season?
 

Saoirse

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Why are we focussing so much on giving away an unfortunate free-kick? The clear problem is that our defending of them is absolutely shocking.
 

Japhet

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Why are we focussing so much on giving away an unfortunate free-kick? The clear problem is that our defending of them is absolutely shocking.


You're right of course, but the decision to give a free kick was laughable (and not for the first time).
 

slartibartfast

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Worst part is, a far more blatant penalty for hand ball than either Dier’sv Newcastle or Doherty’s v Southampton was not given in the Liverpool game yesterday as they’ve changed the rule to what it should’ve been. Imagine if we finish a point behind Liverpool instead of 2 points in front because of a penalty that was given under a rule which only applied for the first four matches of the season?
I was talking about this last night. Making law changes after the season has started takes incompetence to a whole new level.
 

wrd

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I was talking about this last night. Making law changes after the season has started takes incompetence to a whole new level.

They didnt have a choice tbh, they couldnt go on with the law as it was, they had to change it, unfortunately we were the team that suffered the misfortune of being the situation which made them see.

We need to get over the injustices though. No good pointing to what might have been we need to close games out and be so ruthless so incompetant ref decisions don't affect the result because the reality is there is going to be a lot of them so we need to find a way to cope despite them.
 

slartibartfast

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18 times out of 20 that’s a throw to us. The other two it’s a foul either way. As others have said, Aurier tried too hard to retrieve the situation, but he’s done very little wrong there. This is certainly not a brain fart moment.
This is why he gives away so many free kicks and as others said, it was schoolboy.
In this instance he had possesion but most of the time he tries to win the ball when he has absolutely no chance of doing so. That is schoolboy defending. You try to slow the player down, block his route, make him pass the ball or if possible, win the ball. He dives in far too often and from behind a lot of the time.
I think if that could be coached out of him he'd have learnt by now.
He's like a bull with a red rag.
Good going forward but defensively a liability and he will cost you points.
 

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You're right of course, but the decision to give a free kick was laughable (and not for the first time).
It just seems very harsh and a bit of a scapegoat really. If the free-kick doesn't go in, nobody in a million years criticises Aurier for that. He's copping a huge amount of the blame for something he only had a small part in.
 

slartibartfast

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They didnt have a choice tbh, they couldnt go on with the law as it was, they had to change it, unfortunately we were the team that suffered the misfortune of being the situation which made them see.

We need to get over the injustices though. No good pointing to what might have been we need to close games out and be so ruthless so incompetant ref decisions don't affect the result because the reality is there is going to be a lot of them so we need to find a way to cope despite them.
I'm not saying they shouldn't have changed it.
I'm saying to make law changes and have no clue as to what the repercussions of those changes will be until the season actually starts is gross incompetence.
It was blatantly obvious what was going to happen if you give a penalty everytime the ball hits a hand.
I have heard various pundits in the past (Lineker for one) say 'they should just make it a penalty if it hits your hand and thats that so we all know where we stand' and I thought dont be so fkin stupid, it would be a total cluster fk. An obvious one at that. Surprisingly it was. Who knew? Still it gave the media a lot of coverage so thats ok.
 
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Mark_147

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It just seems very harsh and a bit of a scapegoat really. If the free-kick doesn't go in, nobody in a million years criticises Aurier for that. He's copping a huge amount of the blame for something he only had a small part in.
I recall us conceding a goal against Everton and Newcastle from free kicks, but I don't recall anyone giving an in depth analysis of the defending from the players that gave away those free kicks that led to those goals.
 

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I'm not saying they shouldn't have changed it.
I'm saying to make law changes and have no clue as to what the repercussions of those changes will be until the season actually starts is gross incompetence.
It was blatantly obvious what was going to happen if tou give a penalty everytime the ball hits a hand.
I have heard various pundits in the past (Lineker for one) say 'they should just make it a penalty if it hits your hand and thats that so we all know where we stand' and I thought dont be so fkin stupid, it would be a total cluster fk. An obvious one at that. Surprisingly it was. Who knew? Srill it gave the media a lot of coverage so thats ok.


But they did know the consequences as the rules had been in place across other major leagues in the world last season. The move was made by IFAB to make the rules the same everywhere globally so that there would be consistency in major continental and internal tournaments. Serie A had 3x more penalties awarded for handball than the PL last season as they already had this new rule in place in Italy then.

Still a stupid rule though.

Same as with offside. Level should be onside and yet they measure using an application that has all the accuracy of Microsoft Paint on a freeze frame video still that could be 1/10 second out either way.

These two rules, along with a really pathetic implementation of VAR in general, has ruined football.
 

slartibartfast

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But they did know the consequences as the rules had been in place across other major leagues in the world last season. The move was made by IFAB to make the rules the same everywhere globally so that there would be consistency in major continental and internal tournaments. Serie A had 3x more penalties awarded for handball than the PL last season as they already had this new rule in place in Italy then.

Still a stupid rule though.

Same as with offside. Level should be onside and yet they measure using an application that has all the accuracy of Microsoft Paint on a freeze frame video still that could be 1/10 second out either way.

These two rules, along with a really pathetic implementation of VAR in general, has ruined football.
Not sure knowing what the consequences would be but going ahead and doing it anyway is much better.
These other leagues had all these daft penalties and they think thats good?
Think it would have been better bringing everyone else in line with the most succesful league in the world than changing ours to the daft shit ones.
Anyway its not the first law change fk up and it won't be the last.
 

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Why are we focussing so much on giving away an unfortunate free-kick? The clear problem is that our defending of them is absolutely shocking.

I agree. Lumping it into the box in the last few mins of a game is a legit tactic against us. I'm interested to see how rodon is in these situations.
 

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This is why he gives away so many free kicks and as others said, it was schoolboy.
In this instance he had possesion but most of the time he tries to win the ball when he has absolutely no chance of doing so. That is schoolboy defending. You try to slow the player down, block his route, make him pass the ball or if possible, win the ball. He dives in far too often and from behind a lot of the time.
I think if that could be coached out of him he'd have learnt by now.
He's like a bull with a red rag.
Good going forward but defensively a liability and he will cost you points.
I don’t think it was a schoolboy error, and I don’t think he gives away more fouls than the average fullback. I think Doherty is more of a liability defensively, but both are easily good enough for us.

And not everything that goes wrong on the pitch needs someone to blame. Shit happens.
 

slartibartfast

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Why are we focussing so much on giving away an unfortunate free-kick? The clear problem is that our defending of them is absolutely shocking.
I think we're focusing on it because it keeps happening. If it was a one off then we wouldnt.
I think there are a number of reasons.
1) We concede far too much possesion in our half so the defence is under more pressure than it should be. Doesn't help.
2) We do make a lot of poor decisions. Winks for example, fkin brain dead needless freekicks on Thursday then trying to dribble out from the edge of the goal in the dying seconds of a game instead of booting it. Him, Aurier and Sanchez are not up to it imo.
3) Constant changing of the back 4. Has it been the same 4 twice? No successful defence changes every match. You should be able to name the back 4 and get it right 9 times out of 10. Whose starting Monday night? Fk knows!
4) VAR and law changes have cost us badly. These days you need to be at least 2 goals up, or in our case 4, to make sure you dont get shafted.
Other than that I'd say attacking football wise we look the best team in the league at the minute. Shame our defence is so poor.
 
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