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BorjeSpurs

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Sounds like a young player that has started every single game for Djurgarden and now wants some rest ahead of his Tottenham move.

Wouldn't be surprised if he also feels that his time with the u21 should be over by now. The national team haven't qualified for the Euros and in the upcoming friendlies our manager has chosen to go with players from the likes of Blackburn, South Korean league and older players from the Swedish league.
 

IfiHadTheWings

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Lucas about to play his last game for Djurgarden (Stockholms derby) before moving to the mighty Tottenham Hotspur.

He might have some international commitments coming up, but good for him to get a bit of a break before pre-season starts.



EDIT: Bergvall's last game in Sweden ends in disappointment with a 0-3 loss.

He's ready.
 

Ghost Hardware

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Pretty much backs up what most of us have been feeling re is role going forward.

"I've had good matches like 10 absolutely, but also less well," he explained. "It feels like I have found a more even level and can be a little more free and come out and get the ball and control the game a little more as a sixth or eight and we have talked more about that."
 

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Apologies if already posted, but it seems like his manager/head coach at Djurgarsen thinks he is now best/future is as a #6.



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Didn’t Barca see him behind Gavi and Pedri in that 6 role as well. I’ve always thought a Barca number 6 would be more of a number 8 in the premier league but he’s definitely got the ability to play both positions. I just hope he gets good minutes next season.
 

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Pretty much backs up what most of us have been feeling re is role going forward.

"I've had good matches like 10 absolutely, but also less well," he explained. "It feels like I have found a more even level and can be a little more free and come out and get the ball and control the game a little more as a sixth or eight and we have talked more about that."
Do you think they started playing deeper because we told them that’s where we see him playing for us or they thought themselves that that is his more natural position?
 

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Do you think they started playing deeper because we told them that’s where we see him playing for us or they thought themselves that that is his more natural position?
I think he always seems to excel most in deeper areas from the games I have seen. I personally was never particular convinced by him as a 10. As E17 mentions above Barca thought he could be the player they thought FDJ would be. Essentially a creative 6 who excels at picking up the ball from defence and moving it forward. Whilst his long passing isn't good enough yet to play the deep playmaker role I def think you get the best of him deeper rather then 10. As the article says it seems the player has been in constant contact with us and has been discussing it but I'm not sure it was us who suggested it, just looked a natural progression. I don't think it was a hard thing to get to TBH, most of us who had seen him previously when he was first linked said 8 was probably his best role with him eventually potentially transitioning to 6. Obviously that happened a lot quicker then maybe one would have assumed and he was picking up back to back MOTM awards from the 6 role which says a lot. What will be interesting is if we move him straight to 6 or put him at 8 where he has less defensive responsibility. 8 at first might be sensible as he adjusts but neither would surprise me as he really does look supremely talented although obviously the league he's currently in is very weak. As I mentioned in the Gallagher thread, maybe one reason we are looking at CM's is because we have changed our mind on where to play him going forward.
 

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Apologies if already posted, but it seems like his manager/head coach at Djurgarsen thinks he is now best/future is as a #6.



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Interesting, thanks.

I've seen he's been playing as one of two 6s in a double pivot with a more defensive partner, given licence to roam.

Not as a lone 6 in a 433, so very different defensive skill set and responsibilities.

I always thought he'd have long term potential as an Ange 6, but as you'd expect he's absolutely miles off in his ability to read danger and track runners.

In a few years I could see him a lone 6. For now I expect we'll play him as a creative, press resistant, and athletic 8 who can bomb into the box and score goals.

He's good in the air too which will help us.

Not signing Gallagher will also dramatically help his progress.

Also I really like that his parents were both footballers, and are taking sabbaticals to move to London with him for his first year. They know exactly what support he needs to do well, and this will really help him settle in.
 

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I think he always seems to excel most in deeper areas from the games I have seen. I personally was never particular convinced by him as a 10. As E17 mentions above Barca thought he could be the player they thought FDJ would be. Essentially a creative 6 who excels at picking up the ball from defence and moving it forward. Whilst his long passing isn't good enough yet to play the deep playmaker role I def think you get the best of him deeper rather then 10. As the article says it seems the player has been in constant contact with us and has been discussing it but I'm not sure it was us who suggested it, just looked a natural progression. I don't think it was a hard thing to get to TBH, most of us who had seen him previously when he was first linked said 8 was probably his best role with him eventually potentially transitioning to 6. Obviously that happened a lot quicker then maybe one would have assumed and he was picking up back to back MOTM awards from the 6 role which says a lot. What will be interesting is if we move him straight to 6 or put him at 8 where he has less defensive responsibility. 8 at first might be sensible as he adjusts but neither would surprise me as he really does look supremely talented although obviously the league he's currently in is very weak. As I mentioned in the Gallagher thread, maybe one reason we are looking at CM's is because we have changed our mind on where to play him going forward.
I would personally be surprised to see him used as a 6 in his first season, unless we are chasing a game in the PL or playing a lesser Europa League team.

On the ball, the deeper the better for Bergvall as there is more space to dribble into. Defensively, he is a willing runner and presser but not sure he is good enough in the tackle (yet) and defensive awareness to protect the team with our roaming fullbacks.
 

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I would personally be surprised to see him used as a 6 in his first season, unless we are chasing a game in the PL or playing a lesser Europa League team.

On the ball, the deeper the better for Bergvall as there is more space to dribble into. Defenively, he is a willing runner and presser but not sure he is good enough in the tackle (yet) and defensive awareness to protect the team with our roaming fullbacks.
I agree completely and so would I, as I said the 8 role would obviously make sense at first as it alleviates some of the defensive responsibilities and would allow him more freedom to grow, develop and adjust to the speed of the PL. It would be very risky to throw him straight in to the 6 role seeing as he has had very little experience playing there.

My point was more that if we think that is his role long term we “might” adjust to it accordingly within the window. Unlikely maybe given it could realistically take him a few years until he becomes a first team regular, but it’s still worth taking into consideration.

Whilst i would also be surprised if we stuck him straight in at 6 you never know. Ether way it seems him and the club have been in constant contact and I reckon there’s a fairly good chance the club have a very clear idea of how they plan to develop him.
 
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The only problem I see with Lucas right now is that he does not really have any outstanding quality that offsets him as a future star player. Yes he is very talanted and is "good" at almost everything, but I said the same thing about Skipp when he was at norwich, Yes "good" at many things but does not stand out when it comes to passing, physical or reading the game IMO. Being a well rounded "good" player will stand out at the lower leagues, but vs teams week in week out it will not work out.

For me right now Adam Wharton is the most talented young midfielder in the premier leauge. He is next level when it comes to read the game (carrick style) and has a sweeping pass similar to what (Huddlestone) could do. That is top traits and a dont really see Lucas ones right now.
 

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The only problem I see with Lucas right now is that he does not really have any outstanding quality that offsets him as a future star player. Yes he is very talanted and is "good" at almost everything, but I said the same thing about Skipp when he was at norwich, Yes "good" at many things but does not stand out when it comes to passing, physical or reading the game IMO. Being a well rounded "good" player will stand out at the lower leagues, but vs teams week in week out it will not work out.

For me right now Adam Wharton is the most talented young midfielder in the premier leauge. He is next level when it comes to read the game (carrick style) and has a sweeping pass similar to what (Huddlestone) could do. That is top traits and a dont really see Lucas ones right now.
His ability to carry and dribble through central midfield is definitely an outstanding quality that could be a world class attribute.

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The only problem I see with Lucas right now is that he does not really have any outstanding quality that offsets him as a future star player. Yes he is very talanted and is "good" at almost everything, but I said the same thing about Skipp when he was at norwich, Yes "good" at many things but does not stand out when it comes to passing, physical or reading the game IMO. Being a well rounded "good" player will stand out at the lower leagues, but vs teams week in week out it will not work out.

For me right now Adam Wharton is the most talented young midfielder in the premier leauge. He is next level when it comes to read the game (carrick style) and has a sweeping pass similar to what (Huddlestone) could do. That is top traits and a dont really see Lucas ones right now.
I think you're likely right - we should sell him right now so he doesn't further shame our club.

We could just get him terminated before he even comes here to save us some of the trouble?
 

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I think you're likely right - we should sell him right now so he doesn't further shame our club.

We could just get him terminated before he even comes here to save us some of the trouble?
LOL.
His ability to carry and dribble through central midfield is definitely an outstanding quality that could be a world class attribute.

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Absolutely. I could be wrong (very likely) For me that is more traits of a strong 8 like Saar or Bentancur who can run for miles and have very good ball carry abilities, rahter than a 6 like Rodri, palhinha or wharton who is more stationary.
 

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The only problem I see with Lucas right now is that he does not really have any outstanding quality that offsets him as a future star player. Yes he is very talanted and is "good" at almost everything, but I said the same thing about Skipp when he was at norwich, Yes "good" at many things but does not stand out when it comes to passing, physical or reading the game IMO. Being a well rounded "good" player will stand out at the lower leagues, but vs teams week in week out it will not work out.

For me right now Adam Wharton is the most talented young midfielder in the premier leauge. He is next level when it comes to read the game (carrick style) and has a sweeping pass similar to what (Huddlestone) could do. That is top traits and a dont really see Lucas ones right now.
Obviously you’re getting a few neg reps for those comments. But I think maybe what you’re saying is, we have seen our fair share of academy midfielders come through at Spurs, who largely match the description you have laid out.
From Dean Marney, Ryan Mason, Tom Carroll, Livermore, Bentaleb, Winks and Skipp.
All of those players weren’t quite CDM’s, they definitely weren’t productive enough as CAM’s they were all just jack of all trades master of none.
And whilst there is obviously a chance, in the premier league, Bergvall may turn out to be the same, I think it’s clear to see he is very talented and he does have some stand out qualities.
Nothing is guaranteed and we need to (although we won’t) be patient with him.
 

Huddlebone

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Obviously you’re getting a few neg reps for those comments. But I think maybe what you’re saying is, we have seen our fair share of academy midfielders come through at Spurs, who largely match the description you have laid out.
From Dean Marney, Ryan Mason, Tom Carroll, Livermore, Bentaleb, Winks and Skipp.
All of those players weren’t quite CDM’s, they definitely weren’t productive enough as CAM’s they were all just jack of all trades master of none.
And whilst there is obviously a chance, in the premier league, Bergvall may turn out to be the same, I think it’s clear to see he is very talented and he does have some stand out qualities.
Nothing is guaranteed and we need to (although we won’t) be patient with him.
Yes, spot on

In my opinion we already have our two 8s in Bentancur and Saar and Saar for me has everything to become one of the best in the league and Bentancur never has a bad game. I dont see Lucas path into the team. I would rather have seen us go for a pure 6 to push Bissouma.
 
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