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Player Watch: Juan Foyth

yankspurs

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First Half from him was okay,

The goals and basically all of the germany attacks came from the other side, if I was to be ridiculously harsh I'd say on the 2nd goal he might have caught up with Havertz although his CB didn't track the run.

He seems to be tactically treated like a child though, he gets the ball, plays a pass but he doesn't try and go for an overlap and I have to believe it's tactical, it's making him feel very much like a CB being asked to play RB. His passing technique has been very decent although another harsh criticism would be that his passes to the winger doesn't necessarily open up the pitch for the winger and leave him with a lot to do, although again it feels tactical with the positions the winger is taking up, not really allowing for a give and go.

Good half in terms of fitness, not filling me with immense confidence he's a future right back, I still think he'd be better off in defensive midfield personally.

Edit: Also his team doesn't seem to trust him, as I said he's being treated like a child but it's clear he should be trusted more.
I mean....
 

Blake Griffin

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if I was to be ridiculously harsh I'd say on the 2nd goal he might have caught up with Havertz although his CB didn't track the run.

it wasn't his man initially but he should've reacted to it, not a huge error or anything but i think if that was kwp for us then people would be all over him for it.
 

wrd

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it wasn't his man initially but he should've reacted to it, not a huge error or anything but i think if that was kwp for us then people would be all over him for it.

Yeah one of those where if you're looking to attribute fault you'd call it out.
 

spursfan77

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First Half from him was okay,

The goals and basically all of the germany attacks came from the other side, if I was to be ridiculously harsh I'd say on the 2nd goal he might have caught up with Havertz although his CB didn't track the run.

He seems to be tactically treated like a child though, he gets the ball, plays a pass but he doesn't try and go for an overlap and I have to believe it's tactical, it's making him feel very much like a CB being asked to play RB. His passing technique has been very decent although another harsh criticism would be that his passes to the winger doesn't necessarily open up the pitch for the winger and leave him with a lot to do, although again it feels tactical with the positions the winger is taking up, not really allowing for a give and go.

Good half in terms of fitness, not filling me with immense confidence he's a future right back, I still think he'd be better off in defensive midfield personally.

Edit: Also his team doesn't seem to trust him, as I said he's being treated like a child but it's clear he should be trusted more.

It’s because he’s a centre back and not a right back. If we play him there it’s another square peg in a round hole. We need to address the position properly and not just try people out there hoping they’ll be ok. It’s a complete fudge by the club.
 

mike_l

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Yeah one of those where if you're looking to attribute fault you'd call it out.
Yeah, but people on the internet don't have an incessant compulsion to attribute blame for absolutely everything do they???
 

wrd

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It’s because he’s a centre back and not a right back. If we play him there it’s another square peg in a round hole. We need to address the position properly and not just try people out there hoping they’ll be ok. It’s a complete fudge by the club.

To be fair, we've only played him there once and haven't put him there this season, it's Argentina that are trying to force this issue more and yet their tactics stifle him from developing in a meaningful way.
 

spursfan77

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To be fair, we've only played him there once and haven't put him there this season, it's Argentina that are trying to force this issue more and yet their tactics stifle him from developing in a meaningful way.

He’s been namechecked by Poch as a right back though. I just think it will be another example of us hanging out a player to dry by playing a player in a position he shouldn’t be played in. Sanchez and sissoko have already been played there and it’s unfair on them and the other players.
 

wrd

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He’s been namechecked by Poch as a right back though. I just think it will be another example of us hanging out a player to dry by playing a player in a position he shouldn’t be played in. Sanchez and sissoko have already been played there and it’s unfair on them and the other players.

Yeah we've put ourselves in a difficult situation, Ideally we'd have developed one of Sanchez/Foyth by now and be developing the other this season. If it was up to me I'd put Foyth in at CB and accept he's going to make mistakes as he develops, I know people would be on his back but Alder/Vert not being great this season might make people come around to a young cb making mistakes and developing rather than older players making errors as they begin to drop their standard. The problem is whether you decide to play Foyth and Sanchez at the same time which seems an accident waiting to happen but we need to accelerate their development.
 

spursfan77

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Yeah we've put ourselves in a difficult situation, Ideally we'd have developed one of Sanchez/Foyth by now and be developing the other this season. If it was up to me I'd put Foyth in at CB and accept he's going to make mistakes as he develops, I know people would be on his back but Alder/Vert not being great this season might make people come around to a young cb making mistakes than developing rather than older players making errors as they begin to drop their standard. The problem is whether you decide to play Foyth and Sanchez at the same time which seems an accident waiting to happen but we need to accelerate their development.

I don’t think you could play both of them at the same time. Maybe in a three with one of the Belgians but not on their own with the huge weaknesses we have at fullback.

Bloody hell, we really are fucked in defence. Such bad planning.
 

wrd

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I don’t think you could play both of them at the same time. Maybe in a three with one of the Belgians but not on their own with the huge weaknesses we have at fullback.

Bloody hell, we really are fucked in defence. Such bad planning.

Yeah literally any solution seems a bad one, this morning I felt like a back 3 with Sanchez covering the pace aspect and allowing KWP/Sessegnon to develop with less defensive responsibility was the best option and possibly with the addition of foyth for one of the Belgians. This afternoon I read about Murphy suggesting the back 4 and he made it sound logical but again the defence would look shit.
 

spursfan77

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Yeah literally any solution seems a bad one, this morning I felt like a back 3 with Sanchez covering the pace aspect and allowing KWP/Sessegnon to develop with less defensive responsibility was the best option and possibly with the addition of foyth for one of the Belgians. This afternoon I read about Murphy suggesting the back 4 and he made it sound logical but again the defence would look shit.

I just don’t think foyth gets in a back 4 or 3 as a first choice. At the moment he’s just too rash. He needs to go out on a season long loan to another club in Europe and learn there. Make his mistakes on someone else’s watch then come back as a proper centre back. Yet we have nobody who’s in charge of loans except Poch so it won’t happen.
 

wrd

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2nd half was much better for Argentina as a whole and there was a few good bits from Foyth, he covered really well, was quite quick to shut Gnabry down. The one time he got forward he produced a fantastic ball and there was one moment where he feigned to take it past the opposing team. He looked a lot better on the right side of a back 3. as I've said, I'm fine with risking him I think he has a lot of talent which is worth developing and in that role he looked a lot more comfortable.
 
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